Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[nfotiu]

Most would be democrat voters wanted Biden to step aside, and most accepted that Harris would take over if that happened. It's hard to drum up outrage, when no one really wanted anything different.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Generally speaking every trade/transaction has an aggregate benefit, because otherwise the parties to the transaction wouldn't make the deal. So opening up more trade increases the aggregate benefits.

Although if you changed the legend on the map I bet you could convince people it was showing red for areas that lost from free trade and blue for areas that benefit.

I'd disagree on the individual level; a lot of transactions we make are a net negative. I can buy a jumbo bag of cheetohs for the same price as 3 apples. That's kinda neat, I guess, but am I actually better off when I make that choice?

Look at 1 TV per house vs 1 TV per room. Families would actually have to spend some time together (even if it was still crowded around the idiot box). Or the kids would go play with their friends IRL if they didn't like the show.

Similar dynamic with computers...1 comp per household unlocked a lot of amazing stuff without completely dominating our lives (but I of course have to acknowledge that in those days a lot of households had 0 computers and were disadvantaged)

Are our lives better now that most households have 2+ cars? Our city designs sure as hell aren't. And they are worse for our personal budgets than we'll ever realize.

Fast fashion. Cheap appliances. The Disease of More. It even points to the houses we build/buy...they've got to be big to hold all our stuff!


Of course its all a bit moot to this particular discussion as we don't perceive this very well (myself included...I still click 'add to cart' way more than I'd like).

Originally Posted by butterfly

I’m sure it’s possible to grow an avocado in Canada, but Mexico has such a built in agricultural advantage that it would be foolish to not import them from there, since they’re cheaper and Canadian consumers are better off.

A nationalist protectionist could ban them and “create jobs” for Canadians to grow them, at an aggregate loss.

Or...we just eat avocados when they are in season and plentiful, like we used to.

This is admittedly way over simplistic, but how much atmospheric carbon has come from transporting all of these goods to all places at all times (not to mention the packaging, obsolete iterations, and surplus waste now decomposing in our dumps...)? Which has contributed to warming and our current heat wave /drought...and wildfires (though of course past fire mgmt is a big issue here, too).

Is my QOL really better now that half the summer is smokey and often too hot to be very enjoyable? Or does having access to avocados et al 365 days a year offset that?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I don't know about pissy, they are trying the run the narrative of outrage that the Democrats are being undemocratic. Flushing millions of Biden primary votes down the toilet and appointing Harris without a single vote. Especially since the Democrats keep calling the GOP undemocratic.

Democrats argue that it's a 'ticket' and that a vote for Biden is the same as a vote for Harris but the GOP and their voters are arguing otherwise.

Since when have Republican voters ever cared about something being undemocratic? You know what else is undemocratic? Refusing to accept the results of an election(and ALL the things Trump AND his fellow elected Republicans did in an attempt to hold power).


But hey, the Democrats picked a new leader...wahhhh! ####in' snowflakes.

[CliffFletcher]

If you want to see how protectionist trade policies work for consumers, look at Canada’s telecomms industry. Now imagine that for everything.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I think it was. Harris is still a weak candidate who got the nomination because of the time crunch. The perception that Biden’s declining capacity was knowingly hidden from the public until the debate has definitely hurt Harris and the Democrats and that was totally self inflicted.

Weak candidates always raise $100M in a day.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Or...we just eat avocados when they are in season and plentiful, like we used to.

This is admittedly way over simplistic, but how much atmospheric carbon has come from transporting all of these goods to all places at all times (not to mention the packaging, obsolete iterations, and surplus waste now decomposing in our dumps...)? Which has contributed to warming and our current heat wave /drought...and wildfires (though of course past fire mgmt is a big issue here, too).

Is my QOL really better now that half the summer is smokey and often too hot to be very enjoyable? Or does having access to avocados et al 365 days a year offset that?

I get where you're coming from but that's a bit of a leap. There's a 9-figure annual demand for avocados in Canada, as an example.

I mean, do people really have to drive to national parks? Do they really have to drive to other provinces? They don't really have to drive at all. We should just stay at home, eat what's in season, and when wildfires still happen, blame someone, I guess.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Breaking out the Newhart joke.

An homage. RIP.

[photon]

Voters voted for Biden/Harris knowing the 2nd person is going to take over for the first in the event the first can't fulfill their duties, so you could more plausibly argue that Harris is the only person that has any democratic support for being the candidate.

Anyone else would be the party putting in someone no one voted for.

Sure if you replayed the timeline there's probably people that would do better in November than Harris will but they would be even less "democratic" if that's the criteria.

I mean Bernie Sanders would result in the most entertaining campign, that's my criteria.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by photon

Voters voted for Biden/Harris knowing the 2nd person is going to take over for the first in the event the first can't fulfill their duties, so you could more plausibly argue that Harris is the only person that has any democratic support for being the candidate.

Anyone else would be the party putting in someone no one voted for.

Sure if you replayed the timeline there's probably people that would do better in November than Harris will but they would be even less "democratic" if that's the criteria.

I mean Bernie Sanders would result in the most entertaining campign, that's my criteria.

Harris has secured all of Biden's convention delegates anyway.

[butterfly]

Trump and Sanders had that in common - the believability that they'd both try to do exactly what they said. Would have been a good general election. Instead we got Hillary Clinton laughing hysterically when nothing was funny.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

Voters voted for Biden/Harris knowing the 2nd person is going to take over for the first in the event the first can't fulfill their duties, so you could more plausibly argue that Harris is the only person that has any democratic support for being the candidate.

Anyone else would be the party putting in someone no one voted for.

Sure if you replayed the timeline there's probably people that would do better in November than Harris will but they would be even less "democratic" if that's the criteria.

I mean Bernie Sanders would result in the most entertaining campign, that's my criteria.

60% of Democrats wanted Biden to step away.

Harris had the worst approval rating for a Vice President in the history of the United States.

Harris had a dismal showing at the 2020 primaries, and performed about as well as Gabbard, who has since quit the Democrat Party.

I agree with opendoor. I don't think she's that good of a candidate, and once everyone stops walking around all starry eyed it'll become obvious.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Azure

Harris had the worst approval rating for a Vice President in the history of the United States.

Source, please.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Source, please.

Zoom out: Harris had the worst approval rating ever recorded for a VP in a June poll from NBC, with 32% approval and 49% disapproval.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/22/tru...-2024-election

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/22/tru...-2024-election

https://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics...277246198.html

This one has Cheney but still pretty close.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Trump and Sanders had that in common - the believability that they'd both try to do exactly what they said. Would have been a good general election. Instead we got Hillary Clinton laughing hysterically when nothing was funny.

She was so unbelievably competent and well qualified. Instead, the deplorables elected a dope of the highest order and, predictably, he did a ####ty job.

Were I an American, I'd take Hillary laughing over Trump being laughed at by the leaders of the entire world lol. Best part of that was he was too thick to realize they were laughing at him.

https://youtu.be/eN2jqTilLOM?si=2Ug4q5Fi77A4t5RJ

(and yes I know some of you guys can imbed. I can't. Used to be able to, but now it never works. don't care.)

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Bonded

https://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics...277246198.html

This one has Cheney but still pretty close.

Yeah, imagine, Harris has the same rating as Dick 'warmongerer' Cheney.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

She was so unbelievably competent and well qualified. Instead, the deplorables elected a dope of the highest order and, predictably, he did a ####ty job.

Were I an American, I'd take Hillary laughing over Trump being laughed at by the leaders of the entire world lol. Best part of that was he was too thick to realize they were laughing at him.

https://youtu.be/eN2jqTilLOM?si=2Ug4q5Fi77A4t5RJ

(and yes I know some of you guys can imbed. I can't. Used to be able to, but now it never works. don't care.)

What a loser

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What a loser

I think it's the crowdstrike bug, guy.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think it's the crowdstrike bug, guy.

Eh?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/22/tru...-2024-election

Well, credit where it's due. It does say that.

They polled people about Harris at 2 years 5 months.

Not sure why they show Gore at 2 years 2 months, Cheney at 2 years 4 months, Biden at 1 year 11 months, and Pence at 2 years 8 months and don't link to any of them.

And if it's "in history", that's five people.