[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[Erick Estrada]

I'm okay with the return as we are talking about a 34 year old goaltender here and I don't even know if a team has ever fetched a 1st round pick for a goaltender so close to 35 years old. Factor in that he was a free agent signing makes it pretty solid that they got four seasons of Markstrom, a 1st round pick and a young depth defenseman.

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Originally Posted by keenan87

Could this be cleaned up to if Flames 2025 is 2-32, then Montreal gets Calgary's pick?

Yes but there's some weird other unlikely secondary condition in there too I didn't bother writing in because it seemed too unlikely to worry about.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I feel CP generally talks about 1st round draft picks like they are the most coveted asset. People seem to like the unknown, or the infinite possibility of what a 1st round pick could become much more so than: a drafted prospect, young roster player, etc... 1st round picks are like gold around here.

Until the Flames trade for them...........................then people don't like it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why is it unfortunate?

To me, it is the best way to utilize cap space - sign decent players like DeBrusk, then trade them for assets. Rince and repeat.

Perfect way to round out the roster, while focusing on, and enhancing, the rebuild.

Every move he has made has been a rebuilding move. There is almost no reason, based on actions at least, to expect that to change. Over the past year there have been a number of certainties in certain corners of this site

1) Flames ownership will never allow a rebuild - seems to have been put to bed
2) Flames ownership will never retain - seems to have been put to bed

I think more and more that the Flames ownership is willing to allow their hockey management team a lot of leeway to implement their plan. Because a lot of the accepted wisdom seems to be proving false in my mind.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803465528620597407

So, Bahl sucks. He's big, and sucks. Third pairing defenceman who takes penalties.

in his ROOKIE nhl season

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Actually sorry no you didn't. You reported what reputable insiders already reported.

That offer was already out when you reported it, not before...so why are you pretending that you reported it?

You are dead wrong, go back and actually look. You need to get a life. This is what happens when banned posters come back under another name. You are not supposed to even be in here so shut your trap.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

lol they're going to !@#$ this up and spend money in free agency.

Using cap space to acquire players who can then be traded for assets is the furthest thing from '#### this up'.

It is, IMO, the best way to utilize excess cap space. If other teams want to give you assets to take on a bad contract, great (and we have lots of room for that). But those deals are hard to come by. And the cap will be steadily rising for the next few years, so I think they will be fairly rare.

Sign players, then trade them in a couple years. Easy peasy

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Parallex

When I see that Written down it doesn't look that bad... I mean we have three T4 Defensmen in that list (Kylington was in our T4 before his mental health problems) + Bahl and Miromanov. We lack a true #1D in there and still need to see if Kylington get get back to where he was pre-struggles (and sans Tanev which is important).

It’s not that bad

Weegar Andersson
Miromanov Kylington (if resigned)
Pachal Bahl

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm okay with the return as we are talking about a 34 year old goaltender here and I don't even know if a team has ever fetched a 1st round pick for a goaltender so close to 35 years old. Factor in that he was a free agent signing makes it pretty solid that they got four seasons of Markstrom, a 1st round pick and a young depth defenseman.

To me there was just never any comparable trade that returned what had been kicked around on here.

The closest player to Marky to get dealt, was Ryan Miller who was 33 turning 34.

To Buffalo: Halak, Stewart, 1st, 3rd, Carrier
To St. Louis: Miller, Ott

Subtracting other parts around that deal, it's very comparable to what Conroy got today.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Using cap space to acquire players who can then be traded for assets is the furthest thing from '#### this up'.

It is, IMO, the best way to utilize excess cap space. If other teams want to give you assets to take on a bad contract, great (and we have lots of room for that). But those deals are hard to come by. And the cap will be steadily rising for the next few years, so I think they will be fairly rare.

Sign players, then trade them in a couple years. Easy peasy

The big point of concern is the value of their own 2025 1st round pick. Signing players now, impacts the value and availability of the Flames own 2025 1st round pick. They just can't risk that pick - that's my opnion on this. I don't care much about signing players to trade down the road - the Flames most valuable asset in their entire organization is their own 2025 1st round pick.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s not that bad

Weegar Andersson
Miromanov Kylington (if resigned)
Pachal Bahl

Canon on D

hmm off topic. I have worked SAIT Convocation last week. When did schools witch the Grad theme song to Canon in D from the Macho Man theme song?

[Goriders]

Conman created a lot of flexibility for himself.

Tons of capspace. Tons of picks. Tons of young prospects.

I’m very interested to see what further tricks he has up his sleeve.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by traptor

" maintaining our commitment as a playoff competitive team."

They're really going out of their way to beat this drum and people still don't believe it.

Do you believe it?

If you were the GM of a team and your mandate was to make the playoffs, would you trade your #1 goalie for futures?

What does the guy have to do in order for you to NOT believe it?

[DoubleK]

Twitter really seems to hate this deal for Calgary.

r/devils seems mixed to positive on the trade. Very happy they could keep Holtz.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To me there was just never any comparable trade that returned what had been kicked around on here.

The closest player to Marky to get dealt, was Ryan Miller who was 33 turning 34.

To Buffalo: Halak, Stewart, 1st, 3rd, Carrier
To St. Louis: Miller, Ott

Subtracting other parts around that deal, it's very comparable to what Conroy got today.



The big point of concern is the value of their own 2025 1st round pick. Signing players now, impacts the value and availability of the Flames own 2025 1std round pick. They just can't risk that pick, is my opnion on this. I don't care much about signing players to trade down the road - the Flames most valuable asset in their entire organization is their own 2025 1st round pick.

Is the Mike Smith trade not far more comparable and more recent, too? That solidifies to me that Conroy did a fantastic job here.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I was assured by many on here that 10th OA ++ was for sure what a retained Markstrom would be worth and that his value has only gone up since the deadline because Conroy holds all the cards with Marky. So getting a protected 2025 1st and Bahl seems underwhelming.

Also finding out that if for some reason Florida completely collapses and falls in the top 10, we'd have to give up our 1st to MTL after a whole year of tanking, AND not even get Florida's 2025 pick.

Ok then.

It's actually pretty close.

The discussion was mostly that:

Markstrom (50% retained)
41st (or even 28th in some scenarios)

For

2024 10th overall

So something like

Markstrom (31% retention)

For

2025 1st round (likely 15-25 range)
Bahl

Is pretty much equivalent value wise

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Canon on D

hmm off topic. I have worked SAIT Convocation last week. When did they ever switch the Grad theme song to Canon in D from the Macho Man theme song?

Haha, well done.

If Bahl has a hard shot, the new PBP guy will have a golden opportunity when Pachal passes to Bahl for the clapper

[smithtofuhr86]

Flames lose Rick Ball but gain Kevin Bahl!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Is the Mike Smith trade not far more comparable and more recent, too? That solidifies to me that Conroy did a fantastic job here.

I don't view Mike Smith as a comparable. I think Marky is a step above Smith (as was Miller). Although with the retention, and Marky's play in 22/23, you're maybe not wrong - but I do just hold that Marky >> Smith view, 22/23 pain and all.

...I hated Mike Smith on the Flames.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Cap space doesn't mean free agency.

We can also take on a bad contract or 2 and get some assets that way, and if they player(s) can be rehabilitated assuming they are struggling, we can probably retain and flip them for even more assets.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Markstrom is worth a 1st + Mercer at minimum, with no retention. Never forget!

I think it's on the reader to accept some blame if they're skimming a fan forum and assigning the top 5% most optimistic opinions as some sort of CP collective view or a given.

I know I've never logged in since February saw Mercer and a 1st and just assumed that was 100% the way this was going, and that I was building my case to be enraged if it wasn't.