Not to defend them, but I don't think many realize how similar the ultra rich are to the everyman. I've spent time partying with some kids of ultra rich families in the past. They're pretty normal and similar to us.
Weightlessness would be amazing, though. Plus a view of the earth? View of the stars? Looking at the moon? IDK, dude...hard to think of space as uninteresting and I'm not even a space guy.
I agree with you, but I think space and weightlessness is more novel. Some people feel more pull towards a special moment in history. I think that's why Everest and Titanic and museums still have such allure. Some people with all the resources in the world want to visit a point backwards rather than forwards in time.
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For the sub he built himself vs the triton argument, just because you have better doesn't mean that you abandon all to go to the higher tier. If you have a Maclaren F1, the best Bugatti ever, a Roll Royce, a piece of history car that's quite outdated vs modern cars like a Ford GT40 etc. do you abandon the others and drive one exclusively because the tech or the value skyrocketed and was higher in one of them? No. That's probably why he used that sub vs a Triton he had access to. Maybe it's his Ford GT40 and he wanted that discomfort and variation to reset his experiences against enjoying the Bugatti, Rolls Royce etc. It's still something wildly more expensive than what the average person could afford, even if it's several tiers down from the highest levels of technology that is readily available to them.
Without getting into the rest of the post and the moral implications of a Billionaire Class, I think this is more akin to choosing to drive a 50 year old '73 Ford Pinto over a '23 Tesla.
Sure, both have a notable chance of exploding or lighting on fire randomly, but there's a slightly better chance the one that's more recently built won't.
Tragic. would have been a pretty horrible way to go.
I do have sympathy obviously that people died and they have loved ones, but I do equate it with people dying on Everest, or in a Blue Origin rocket, or crossing Antarctica or the Sahara. This is STILL very untested stuff and they knew that going in. But this is why astronauts and deep sea divers train and use proper equipment etc... And they still have accidents. I don't know that anyone is really at fault, outside of maybe the dude that brought his kid (although the kid was an adult - barely). I think that the sharing of experiences via the web has given people the idea that these types of things might be "easier" than they look. It's still the harshest conditions on the planet.
What I AM surprised by is the general lack of human capability to get there. There obviously hasn't been near the investment into undersea vehicle tech as there has been to road and air and space tech. Seems strange actually, given the advancements in those other areas.
Tragic. would have been a pretty horrible way to go.
I do have sympathy obviously that people died and they have loved ones, but I do equate it with people dying on Everest, or in a Blue Origin rocket. This is STILL very untested stuff and they knew that going in. But this is why astronauts and deep sea divers train and use proper equipment etc... And they still have accidents. I don't know that anyone is really at fault, outside of maybe the dude that brought his kid (although the kid was an adult - barely). People making a big deal about the game controller thing. That doesn't really phase me at all, it makes sense to use something that is innate to most people by now.
What I AM surprised by is the general lack of human capability to get there. There obviously hasn't been near the investment into undersea vehicle tech as there has been to road and air and space tech. Seems strange actually, given the advancements in those other areas.
I think it's just generally not that great down there and doesn't really advance many things. Space has limitless possibilities. From what we know of the bottom of the ocean, isn't it more like sand and the odd weird fish? Not sure there is the reward down there that you can get with, like, satellites and stuff. Plus, the opportunity for tourism in space would be a huge market; bottom of the ocean? I don't think that many people would even want to go.
According to the USCG a debris field has been found within the search area. No confirmation on what it is debris from yet.
Edit: whoops, didn't see it posted on the previous page.
A debris field indicating implosion would have been the most humane way to go. The speed of an implosion at that pressure would be too fast for the human nervous system to even register pain.
I think it's just generally not that great down there and doesn't really advance many things. Space has limitless possibilities. From what we know of the bottom of the ocean, isn't it more like sand and the odd weird fish? Not sure there is the reward down there that you can get with, like, satellites and stuff. Plus, the opportunity for tourism in space would be a huge market; bottom of the ocean? I don't think that many people would even want to go.
We we are talking just space travel and not planetfall - space is relatively empty with nothing to see to investigate. The oceans have mystery, life, geological things, etc. it's kind of like landing on another planet.
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I find both space and deep ocean to be incredibly fascinating and would absolutely travel to either. But there’s definitely a big value different between just saying you did it and getting something unique out of the experience that stays with you. If I’m going to visit the Titanic, I want a view where I really understand the sheer size of the thing. I want to see some weird blob fish that you don’t see in an aquarium. If I’m going to space, I want to see the whole Earth with my own eyes. I want to see the moon up close.
It’s like the difference between seeing the ocean and being near the ocean and seeing it on TV. Or being on a ship and seeing it on deck vs seeing it through a porthole. There is some value in perspective.
To get me to the bottom of the ocean, you’re going to have to give me a pretty big window to make that trip worth it.
According to the USCG a debris field has been found within the search area. No confirmation on what it is debris from yet.
Edit: whoops, didn't see it posted on the previous page.
I think this has to be it. If something else would have sunk near the Titanic between now and the last time someone was down there, I would think that would be news. I don't really know, but it seems logical.
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I think it's just generally not that great down there and doesn't really advance many things. Space has limitless possibilities. From what we know of the bottom of the ocean, isn't it more like sand and the odd weird fish? Not sure there is the reward down there that you can get with, like, satellites and stuff. Plus, the opportunity for tourism in space would be a huge market; bottom of the ocean? I don't think that many people would even want to go.
Rare minerals and geothermal sources of power are probably the two biggest draws, but the economics aren't there to exploit them yet.
I think I read the vessel made 20 previous successful dives to the site? (could be wrong but I think I did read that).
So if it had a bit of a track record, it may have weighed into their thought process, even though the engineering was experimental.
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable without knowing what the tested crush depth was, and how many repeat trips to the same depth before fatigue crushed it. These are vitally important facts that can't be guessed at. It says it is rated to 4000m, Titanic is at about 3000m, but if it's actual crush depth was 3200m, then that isn't nearly enough safety range to consider safe.
Of course, this means building multiple subs exactly the same way, and understanding the failure mechanisms.
A debris field indicating implosion would have been the most humane way to go. The speed of an implosion at that pressure would be too fast for the human nervous system to even register pain.
Would we know if the implosion occurred immediately though? It's possible that it could have lost power and sank to the bottom, then after several hours of immense pressure, the structure imploded.
It would seem even more tragic if vessel waited until they were almost out of air before imploding.
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I find both space and deep ocean to be incredibly fascinating and would absolutely travel to either. But there’s definitely a big value different between just saying you did it and getting something unique out of the experience that stays with you. If I’m going to visit the Titanic, I want a view where I really understand the sheer size of the thing. I want to see some weird blob fish that you don’t see in an aquarium. If I’m going to space, I want to see the whole Earth with my own eyes. I want to see the moon up close.
It’s like the difference between seeing the ocean and being near the ocean and seeing it on TV. Or being on a ship and seeing it on deck vs seeing it through a porthole. There is some value in perspective.
To get me to the bottom of the ocean, you’re going to have to give me a pretty big window to make that trip worth it.
You'd probably be totally let down, dude. It's not that big.
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We we are talking just space travel and not planetfall - space is relatively empty with nothing to see to investigate. The oceans have mystery, life, geological things, etc. it's kind of like landing on another planet.
Agreed with Pepsi. I think for these types of things you as a human are just looking to find something that shows your scale to the rest of the universe. Like going to the top of a mountain and looking down at a dot you were at before. Same as in space or same as in the ocean. The extra life forms, geological shapes etc. those are just bonus.
If it imploded, would it flatten like a pancake? Or crumble into a million pieces?
Listening to the presser right now, it sounds like the carbon fiber would break into a lot of small pieces, but the titanium pieces would be more intact.
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If it imploded, would it flatten like a pancake? Or crumble into a million pieces?
Given it is carbon fibre and the forces involved, I suspect the titanium end caps would shoot out, and the rest would kinda shatter apart as it crushed.
