Inclusivity and the NHL: We Have a Problem

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

But as we all know tone is implied online so if you want to continue to be a martyr feel free *shrugs*

Tone is only implied if you're acting in bad faith.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Tone is only implied if you're acting in bad faith.

Not always. Sometimes it is hard to tell if the post is intended in bad faith.
Please refer to my previous clarification to VilleN.

But really if you just want to call me a f** to get it off your chest feel free.

[etdpratt]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

"The bible is the highest authority in my life"

Yeah can we go ahead and abolish religion already? So tired of this dogmatic thinking.

I don't want this to devolve into religious/atheist debate but whether your morals reside within religious framework or not, you have your own set of moral framework/belief systems that you created or inherited from your parents.

Can't believe how quickly you want to take away someone else's belief system that differs from your own. He's not telling anyone they can't do something. He is not saying LGBTQ can't live their lives. But to feel like he has to openly support it is ridiculous. Who are you to decide what another person supports?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Never said that. But reading comprehension is not CP's strong suit. It would actually be strange if another poster reiterated something I posted accurately.

Tolerance doesn't mean you have to listen or respect. We even verified this in the dictionary since there were many here conflating that being unsupportive is the same thing as being intolerant. But that is just semantics, which is the logical aspects of meaning, so clearly not important around here.

Am also enjoying BoLevi tying CPers into knots with their double standards between homophobia and islamophobia. Not one self-reflective post. Not that I expected any more, I'm just here for a good laugh after I've gotten my fill of hockey news.

Sorry when you said this

I can't speak for BoLevi who is far more thoughtful and well-reasoned than I. But for me I measure society on its ability to tolerate opposing viewpoints. And right now our society is tearing itself apart.

I thought you meant that we should tolerate bigoted viewpoints just as much as we tolerate inclusive viewpoints. Not sure what you meant since one viewpoint on this issue is clearly bigoted.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by USflamesfan

Honest question: Is there anyway to move this thread from the hockey part of the forum?

Why do you care? I mean sure, we're reading some of the dumbest things posted on CP in years in this thread, but it's still an important topic for discussion and it fits in the forum it was posted in.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I don't think his employer is trying to force him to "support the lifestyle". His employer is trying to send a message to a traditionally marginalized community that they are welcome.

By the way, "lifestyle" implies it's a choice.

Would you call Bi and 2+ relationships a choice? Lumping every single non hetro person together in one group can bring up some issues around use of the term "lifestyle".

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I already clearly stated I don't believe homosexuality is a choice - so you can see what you want in my post, but I think I was pretty unambiguous on that particular point.

As for everything else you wrote, I 100% agree. Ideas should be allowed to be expressed and argued. I am simply against anyone forcing another to do something they don't want to do.

Should probably just stand still in a field for the rest of the your life then because you are forced to do things approximately every second of every day of you life.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Not always. Sometimes it is hard to tell if the post is intended in bad faith.
Please refer to my previous clarification to VilleN.

Fair enough. I'm not accusing you or Locke of bad faith, just that there has been plenty of bad faith in this thread. I may even be guilty of it myself. The reaction to VilleN's posts relative to others has been night and day, despite the views being largely the same if not similar. We don't need to call each other racist bigoted homophobes to disagree. Not saying you did that, but if you read the thread you'll see what I mean.

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

But really if you just want to call me a f** to get it off your chest feel free.

Naw. That's not my style. But I do enjoy healthy debate. And when the name calling starts, a bit of good natured trolling.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Given the sample of people that the NHL draws from, and the various types places NHL players originate from and the number of people within that sample... no, I don't really think we have a "problem". A minority of players are simply going to think this way, and some portion are going to say that they do out loud. It's not remotely surprising, or indicative of anything surprising. It's just... inevitable.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It may very well be that no one is fully hetero/homo-sexual anyways. Recent decades of research suggest that we fall on a spectrum in terms of orientation. And with bisexuality being a very real thing, it makes even more sense.

Maybe some of these proper church types are having a tough time wrestling with their nagging 7% that swoons over Henrik Lundqvist in a white v-neck.

Can't risk having a jersey outing them to the big man upstairs.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sorry when you said this


I thought you meant that we should tolerate bigoted viewpoints just as much as we tolerate inclusive viewpoints. Not sure what you meant since one viewpoint on this issue is clearly bigoted.

Well by definition, tolerance is allowing a viewpoint to exist. You don't have to agree with or support a viewpoint to tolerate it. You can even criticize the viewpoint and still be tolerant of it. It is when we go a step further into persecution and violence that we cease to be tolerant.

I don't think a bigot's mind will be easily changed. But we can't murder them, either. And persecuting them will likely only make them more steadfast in their beliefs.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Well by definition, tolerance is allowing a viewpoint to exist. You don't have to agree with or support a viewpoint to tolerate it. You can even criticize the viewpoint and still be tolerant of it. It is when we go a step further into persecution and violence that we cease to be tolerant.

I don't think a bigot's mind will be easily changed. But we can't murder them, either. And persecuting them will likely only make them more steadfast in their beliefs.

Show where the persecution or murder of Reimer happened.

Seems like we’re all tolerating his views and you’re whining about nothing. Based on the definition, of course. So long as you can comprehend it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Having a Welcome Ukrainian Refugees Night might raise a few political eyebrows.

good, lets weed out as many #######s as possible.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Would you call Bi and 2+ relationships a choice? Lumping every single non hetro person together in one group can bring up some issues around use of the term "lifestyle".

being bisexual or pansexual or asexual isn't a choice. You're born that way. Being bi or pan in an outwardly appearing straight passing relationship doesn't not make you bi or pan. It's not a choice. Now when you're talking about the various branches of consensual non-monogamy, that's where within the CNM community you'll see varied opinions. But generally I think you can choose your relationship model (throuple, swinging, polyamory etc), but not who you're sexually attracted to. If you're even sexually attracted to anyone, because asexual folks exist!

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

good, lets weed out as many #######s as possible.

What about a welcome Iraqi refugees night in 2003 when the US illegally invaded their country? Didn't see too many flags flying then, nor did I hear any talk of banning American players or Bush sympathizers.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by VilleN

What about a welcome Iraqi refugees night in 2003 when the US illegally invaded their country? Didn't see too many flags flying then, nor did I hear any talk of banning American players or Bush sympathizers.

I'll have to go and check the records.....

For the record the invasion in 2003 was wrong.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Should probably just stand still in a field for the rest of the your life then because you are forced to do things approximately every second of every day of you life.

What are you talking about? So we should give up all of our freedoms then?

[Yeah_Baby]

folks, please, I can only get into Queer Theory today, the discussion on post-Cold War imperialism is slated for tomorrow.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Show where the persecution or murder of Reimer happened.

Show us on the doll where you were touched, PepsiFree. It's ok, this is a safe space. We understand someone hurt you and you're angry. We're here to help you heal those emotional wounds.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Show us on the doll where you were touched, PepsiFree. It's ok, this is a safe space. We understand someone hurt you and you're angry. We're here to help you heal those emotional wounds.

What a useless reply. It seems we’re done here but thanks for playing