For Ellie and Bill to have banter of the same type as the game they would have had to show up in 2003. The Bill at the end was not the same character as the Bill in the game and would not have interacted with Ellie in the same way, or anything close to it.
OK, go for it - what metaphors are you talking about, and how were they cheesy? I'm interested to see this analysis.
Anyway, I don't think it's the best episode of TV ever either. That is an absurdly high bar to clear. It might be top 20 though... hard to say, and also depends on what the rules are (like, one episode per show, or what).
Basically, what it boils down to is that trying to rank it against other episodes of other shows seems weird and pointless. At the end of the day, it was a really really great episode of television. Like, objectively great. There's no room to fault any aspect of the script, the acting is obviously exceptional, everything to do with the design from sets on down is top tier, and it is beautifully lit and shot (the scene with the strawberries... hot damn). So 7/10 is... not really defensible, but whatever, no accounting for taste.
Seeds into strawberries nurtured by Frank, just like Bill's growth as a person. Only way it could've more obvious is if someone spoke to the camera.
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According to the game, the infection started from bad crops. In episode 1, Joel and Sarah avoid eating any flour or bread:
- They don't have pancakes in the beginning of the episode
- Joel on Atkins diet
- Sara says no to the cookies
- Joel forgets the birthday cake
Thought that was kind of cool, and definitely not something I thought of.
(Spoiler tags b/c of mention of the game, but not really a spoiler)
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the world's largest flour mill is in Jakarta - the center of the outbreak
Seeds into strawberries nurtured by Frank, just like Bill's growth as a person. Only way it could've more obvious is if someone spoke to the camera.
In Mad Men Don Draper takes off from the hotel he's staying at with Peter for a business then and follows a women named Joy to Palm Springs and meets her Bohemian crew. Don Draper is following Joy.
It happens, does it require a deep reading? No, but I'm not sure that makes it inherently cringe.
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Was anyone else wondering how far they'd zoom out on that ending shot with the open bedroom window?
It was doubtful they would of shown any gore because of the style of episode it was, but with each millimeter it was zooming out, I was truly wondering when it would stop.
"They aren't going to show anything..... are they???!!!"
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Seeds into strawberries nurtured by Frank, just like Bill's growth as a person. Only way it could've more obvious is if someone spoke to the camera.
Hahaha... alright, dude. Sure. I'm with Nik on this one. I mean, if there was anything remotely allegorical in that scene it was the concept of trading a gun for strawberries - that's much more representative of Frank's effect on Bill.
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Was anyone else wondering how far they'd zoom out on that ending shot with the open bedroom window?
No, but only because it was a tribute to the title screen of the game, so I knew where it would stop. It's not exactly the same angle or the same window but it was pretty clear what it was supposed to be paying tribute to (as Mazin has now confirmed).
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It's good, but it was a bit off-putting just because that song is so tied to Arrival for me. And it's as if it's the only Richter anyone ever uses. Someone needs to use this:
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I know I suggested the nitpicking was bad but I wasn’t prepared for “everything is a metaphor, it’s so obvious” guy to enter the thread.
For some reason I just assumed those guys failed first year Creative Literature and then disappeared forever. Now they’re watching television? God help us.
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I'm clearly a neophyte for not picking up anything with the strawberries or flowers. Did the wine also symbolize how something can get better with age if treated correctly? I did pick up the obvious parallels between Bill/Frank and Joel/Ellie at least.
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In Mad Men Don Draper takes off from the hotel he's staying at with Peter for a business then and follows a women named Joy to Palm Springs and meets her Bohemian crew. Don Draper is following Joy.
It happens, does it require a deep reading? No, but I'm not sure that makes it inherently cringe.
Since the best episode of TV was being discussed and you mentioned Mad Men, I have to add "Guy Walks Into An Advertising Agency" as a contender.
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Was anyone else wondering how far they'd zoom out on that ending shot with the open bedroom window?
It was doubtful they would of shown any gore because of the style of episode it was, but with each millimeter it was zooming out, I was truly wondering when it would stop.
"They aren't going to show anything..... are they???!!!"
I was more noticing it was a second storey window but they went into a bedroom on the main floor.
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