I don't think the Flames are worried about the ranking of their prospect pool by the moves they have made. Eberle is not an upgrade on our top wingers and make more money than Hanifin. It better be the Jets and Kraken 2nd's as I feel like the return for Hanifin is garbage.
Didn't you just say Valimaki and Dube wouldn't snag Dumba yet Hanifin is getting us that? I get the 2023 draft is deep but we are talking picks that could be around 40th overall. Those players are years away from playing and will be maybe nice to have in the back end of Kadri and Huberdeau's deals. Right when this team might be in serious trouble and in a full rebuild.
Hanifin out Eberle in would dramatically make this team worse now
Ya I don’t think it is a great deal the more I think about it but not sure about a dramatically worse team. I would look at those picks being the highest of their 3 2nds.
The only way moving Hanifin for a winger makes sense for me is if the package includes some pretty decent futures in addition to the winger. I also am not sure which teams really need a Dman?
End of the day what makes the most sense to me is signing a free agent like Kessel and leaving the D as is to start the season
Would love to get Kessel… because of what he could bring and because he’s a free asset (other than cap space). However, I don’t think Phil would see Calgary as a prime landing spot. He already has his cups. Sutter is an extremely demanding coach. He might just go to the highest bidder… and that likely won’t be Calgary. I’m certain someone will be willing to offer him $3 million+ and the flames likely won’t be able to match that.
Ya I don’t think it is a great deal the more I think about it but not sure about a dramatically worse team. I would look at those picks being the highest of their 3 2nds.
The only way moving Hanifin for a winger makes sense for me is if the package includes some pretty decent futures in addition to the winger. I also am not sure which teams really need a Dman?
End of the day what makes the most sense to me is signing a free agent like Kessel and leaving the D as is to start the season
I don't agree with the addition of Kessel. I'd rather keep the cap flexibility. IMO he's not an upgrade on Dube, Toffoli or Pelletier. IMO these are the 3 wingers that are likely to get a crack in the top 6 and 1 getting put with Coleman and Backlund.
Hanifin should stay unless we get a top line winger. IMO if he snags that we can look at a cheap rental to replace Hanfin. IMO Weegar already is probably the Hanifin replacment. Getting a good rental dman some time before the trade deadline maximizes our chances of winning this year which seems like the plan based on Treliving's moves.
If we added Barzal our d is ok still as IMO Weegar is just as good as Hanifin if not better.
Weegar also had 3 points on the PP last year. He was 11th in EVP for d last year. He gets a bump in PP time, he's a 60 point dman. I really believe our d is much more improved than most are suggesting
I don't agree with the addition of Kessel. I'd rather keep the cap flexibility. IMO he's not an upgrade on Dube, Toffoli or Pelletier. IMO these are the 3 wingers that are likely to get a crack in the top 6 and 1 getting put with Coleman and Backlund.
Hanifin should stay unless we get a top line winger. IMO if he snags that we can look at a cheap rental to replace Hanfin. IMO Weegar already is probably the Hanifin replacment. Getting a good rental dman some time before the trade deadline maximizes our chances of winning this year which seems like the plan based on Treliving's moves.
If we added Barzal our d is ok still as IMO Weegar is just as good as Hanifin if not better.
Weegar also had 3 points on the PP last year. He was 11th in EVP for d last year. He gets a bump in PP time, he's a 60 point dman. I really believe our d is much more improved than most are suggesting
If we move Hanifin for a winger I wouldn’t add another Dman they already have 10 guys on one way contracts. I do think this team needs another right shot up front as right now they only have Lindholm, Toffoli in the top 6 that do that. I do think Kessel is an upgrade on those 2 forwards (Pelletier and Dube) and knowing Sutter I just don’t see the Flames leaving a spot open for a prospect on the roster. We will see but I do think the flames make another move for a right shot forward. Maybe Rodriguez if not Kessel?
If they make a trade I doubt it is one of the top end guys I think they like having upgraded the D. Valimaki for a similar forward also makes sense to me. If it wasn’t the Oilers I think Puljujarvi makes sense but because it is the Oilers I don’t think they make that deal with us
I wonder the backstory behind the Rooney signing. Was there a lot of competition to sign him? Just seemed like a strange day one of FA signing to me. I would have waited till closer to season opening and see who all might be available and if their demands had gone down. Seems like a guy you could sign for league minimum or maybe slightly more unless I'm missing something? Hope he proves me wrong.
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They must have thought highly of Rooney, I think Treliving said that was a signing that was going to happen regardless of what was happening with their stars. IIRC both Treliving and Rooney both said they think he has a little more offense to give than what he's shown
Also wouldn't surprise me if Sutter really liked him during the Rangers' playoff run
I wonder the backstory behind the Rooney signing. Was there a lot of competition to sign him? Just seemed like a strange day one of FA signing to me. I would have waited till closer to season opening and see who all might be available and if their demands had gone down. Seems like a guy you could sign for league minimum or maybe slightly more unless I'm missing something? Hope he proves me wrong.
Treliving confirmed that the Flames have liked him for a long time (I interpret this as their scouts identifying something in his underlying metrics) and I think Rooney also mentioned in his interview that the Flames were interested last time around but he ended up signing with the Rangers.
Not super keen on having Phil on the team, but would love to have him as a neighbour.
Could you imagine Sutter coaching Kessel? One of those stories posted talks about Kessel openly defying Carlysle and calling him a "fat ####" in front of other players.
Aside from that stuff and most importantly, he doesn't fit the style of play either. I just can't see the Flames being interested at all. If he signs anywhere, I think it will be on a team with low expectations where he can pad his stats, maintain his iron man streak, and then get flipped at the deadline maybe.
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A little annoying that both Bjorkstrand and Connor Brown moved this offseason for very, very little. Either would have been good fits for our top 6.
Yup it sucks that after the Gaudreau stuff went down we were tied up with Tkachuk...because Bjorkstrand would be a great fit in this top 6 with Kadri now.
Would mean that Lucic would have to be moved though as well.
Yup it sucks that after the Gaudreau stuff went down we were tied up with Tkachuk...because Bjorkstrand would be a great fit in this top 6 with Kadri now.
Would mean that Lucic would have to be moved though as well.
They would have also had to beat the Seattle offer since those picks would project to be higher
So likely a 2nd involved
Could you imagine Sutter coaching Kessel? One of those stories posted talks about Kessel openly defying Carlysle and calling him a "fat ####" in front of other players.
Aside from that stuff and most importantly, he doesn't fit the style of play either. I just can't see the Flames being interested at all. If he signs anywhere, I think it will be on a team with low expectations where he can pad his stats, maintain his iron man streak, and then get flipped at the deadline maybe.
Seriously? He is calling Carlyle that when he himself is pretty much that. Kettle and pot much?
