[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Yes. Of course one of the owners of the team decided to make a worse trade to save money.
Your comment is the joke.

Yeah ok….

[djsFlames]

Feeling Murray definitely vetoed the Lucic trade option in favour of this Monahan dump because of the real dollars involved.

I wouldn't have minded the Lucic move since I don't know how good of a hockey player he will be this season. Probably not great. Is the $5M deterrent really worth retaining vs a guy that has a small but real chance of making a comeback and being a shooter on your first PP unit?

Think I'd have preferred the Boston route.

But no regrets in bringing Kadri in. That's worth it still, at the end of the day.

Hate the complicated conditions as well.

[GioforPM]

People kept saying (and are still saying) Lucic is easier to move but I never got that. Yeah, Lucic costs less in cash but that's the only benefit and these billionaires don't care. Monahan is the one whose production can be explained by injuries and Monahan's the one who had surgery to address the injuries, and he's only 27. So he's the one with upside, whereas we know exactly what Lucic is, what he brings and whether he is likely to improve next year. His play over the year declined quite a bit.

I do wish there were negative conditions based on better performance out of Monahan though. First drops to 2nd if he scores 20, or something like that.

[Muta]

Couldn't even get a mid-round pick back for that package? Darn.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

I have never wanted Kadri to sign here, and I am not happy about trading Monahan just so we could sign him.
I'll be glad to eat my words if Calgary even makes the conference finals. But I think Monahan will score more goals this year than Kadri, and we had to pay to get rid of him.
Also I think it's mostly twitter fanboys spamming how much they wanted Kadri, that got this done.

Kadri is faster, harder to play against and not playing on 2 bad hips.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This screams Murray Edwards, could have moved Lucic for probably nothing. Have to pay a 1st so Murray can save $5MM. Joke.

Speaking of jokes

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Muta

Couldn't even get a mid-round pick back for that package? Darn.

Habs really playing the role of dog under the dinner table.

I don't really like how we're helping their rebuild along between this and Toffoli.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

I have never wanted Kadri to sign here, and I am not happy about trading Monahan just so we could sign him.
I'll be glad to eat my words if Calgary even makes the conference finals. But I think Monahan will score more goals this year than Kadri, and we had to pay to get rid of him.
Also I think it's mostly twitter fanboys spamming how much they wanted Kadri, that got this done.

Because of course Tre follows Twitter and CP suggestions very closely and then does exactly those things. Wow. Some people....

[D as in David]

I don't know, there's a place on the roster for Lucic as a 4th line winger/13th man but I really don't see where Monahan was going to fit into this roster. He's not a 4th line centreman nor has he ever been a winger. I think that probably is, at least, part of the decision-making on who to trade.

[RedHot25]

Can we talk future considerations?

Look, I'm not expecting much of anything to come back, but something has to come back, at some point, correct?

Are we talking something like a 7th round pick? Or a marginal prospect? Or? I doubt it is nhl player per se, just considering flames $$, but who knows?

[djsFlames]

LOL Monahan won't outscore Kadri. I'd gladly take that bet.

(All love, Sean)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

I have never wanted Kadri to sign here, and I am not happy about trading Monahan just so we could sign him.
I'll be glad to eat my words if Calgary even makes the conference finals. But I think Monahan will score more goals this year than Kadri, and we had to pay to get rid of him.
Also I think it's mostly twitter fanboys spamming how much they wanted Kadri, that got this done.

Lol, maybe they wanted the top center UFA in the league who scored at a 100 point pace and was massive in the playoffs. Twitter fanboys.

And I will bet you $100 Kadri scores more, you might as well just give me the money now

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Can we talk future considerations?

Look, I'm not expecting much of anything to come back, but something has to come back, at some point, correct?

Are we talking something like a 7th round pick? Or a marginal prospect? Or? I doubt it is nhl player per se, just considering flames $$, but who knows?

Let's discuss this in the future - would you consider that?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People kept saying (and are still saying) Lucic is easier to move but I never got that. Yeah, Lucic costs less in cash but that's the only benefit and these billionaires don't care. Monahan is the one whose production can be explained by injuries and Monahan's the one who had surgery to address the injuries, and he's only 27. So he's the one with upside, whereas we know exactly what Lucic is, what he brings and whether he is likely to improve next year. His play over the year declined quite a bit.

I do wish there were negative conditions based on better performance out of Monahan though. First drops to 2nd if he scores 20, or something like that.

But moving Lucic couldn’t possibly have cost more than this?

Maybe Lucic is here because that’s what Flames want. Or maybe he still gets moved.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Can we talk future considerations?

Look, I'm not expecting much of anything to come back, but something has to come back, at some point, correct?

Are we talking something like a 7th round pick? Or a marginal prospect? Or? I doubt it is nhl player per se, just considering flames $$, but who knows?

A bucket of pucks and a dinner at the Huberdeau/Treliving restaurant. I'm more concerned that all the future 1st round picks seem to be frozen now and untradeable. Couldn't they have forced Montreal to just pick one of them?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This screams Murray Edwards, could have moved Lucic for probably nothing. Have to pay a 1st so Murray can save $5MM. Joke.

Can someone explain to me how flames ownership is cheap?

1) They're willing to spend to cap every year.

2) When flames are bad, they're willing to avoid buyouts and pay bad players 100% of salary to minimize buyout penalties.

3) when flames are good, they're willing to give up assets to get bad contacts off the books. This allows the flames to maximize cap efficiency.

4) when flames are good, they authorize long-term contracts to older players to maximize probability of winning within competitive window (see Huberdeau and kadri contracts).

Imo it looks like Murray Edwards has authorized tre to do whatever it takes to maximize the probability of winning now.

[powderjunkie]

If I were trading a 1st, my conditions would be relatively simple:

Top 2 protected in perpetuity. But every time it is deferred we owe a 3rd rd pick*

If pick ends up 3-6OA, the receiving team sends back a 2nd*.
If pick ends up 7-12OA, the receiving team sends back 3rd*
If pick ends up 13-20, the pick alone is transferred
If pick ends up 21-32, then we owe a 3rd rd pick*, too

* For simplicity, each of these additional picks would be "the earliest available pick of that rd within 3 years"...so teams wouldn't be stuck with additional conditions on those picks.


Still complicated, but the point is to insure each side against the extremes. The typical condition of: 'Top 10 protection for 1 yr then totally unprotected' is lazy and crazy to me (it's gotta be pretty rare for a team to dip into the top 10 for just 1 year)

[OminousFlames]

Originally Posted by rhino

Kadri is faster, harder to play against and not playing on 2 bad hips.

Maybe the Flames are better today. But in a year or two I bet things here will be really sour. Better stock up those 1sts, so we can trade an aging Kadri/Huberdeau in 5 years time.
The only thing I don't like about signing Kadri, is the Flames signed him when he was at his peak performance, likewise with Huberdeau. And we're paying a lot to keep them. Also the age too.


Do you guys think we can keep Weegar?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But moving Lucic couldn’t possibly have cost more than this?

Maybe Lucic is here because that’s what Flames want. Or maybe he still gets moved.

With his 10 team YES list it probably would have cost as much/more. Monny had a 10 team NO list.

[dammage79]

The big thing about on-hand is the probability is higher he won't revert back to form. And that my friends, is literally the most depressing thing I have said as a Flames fan. To me.

I hold Monny in such high regard that I should be happy about today but I'm just bummed. I like Kadri, love the sign8ng, but losing Monny hurts. Can't help it.

What they've done though have secured the next 5 years of certainty at the top of the line up. I like it. Just wish it was Monny as a no Brainer lock to produce like before.