[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Racki]

I think some of us are underestimating the fire that burns inside Darryl Sutter. He will love going to battle with an underdog “us vs the world” group. This is assuming we retool and not rebuild.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

All this cap space is going to set the Flames up to make moves only a small handful of teams around the league can facilitate.

Expect that to also pay off in ways over the coming months.

This is going to allow Brad to operate differently, in a way he never has been able to before here as we've been a cap spending team forever. If there's one guy I can see taking advantage of that flexibility in creative ways, its Treliving.

Yeah what is James Neal doing these days?

[Naitix]

Tkachuk was willing to sign a long term extension with the Flames up until Johnny left, meaning Tkachuk is not set on coming to the Blues, he should be open to sign with at least 5-10 teams if I had to guess.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah what is James Neal doing these days?

Hanging out with your boy Smith

[Kickazzflames]

I don't think we are going to be happy with whatever return we get. I also think if we decide to tear down and rebuild any 1st rounders we get will be slapped with lottery protection. Without our own first going into next year.. odds of Bedard are likely waay out the window.

It's a franchise defining moment here that started with Gaudreau.

It's a scary time to be sure. Hockey in Calgary is in for so many possibilities:

-Years of mediocrity.. not good enough for playoffs but not bad enough for high picks (Most likely outcome)

-Years of Endless rebuild where we can seem to make the right picks to build a contender from, we become a bottom feeder that can't seem to ever find an identity

-Franchise moves cities after no new arena deal materializes and Edwards decides this team no longer is viable to make money and sells the team to an American buyer.

-Rebuild works.. We make a solid 1st round pick with our return on tkachuk (extremely rare), find another couple of Gaudreau/Brodie type picks in the later rounds, our prospect in the return turns out to be a stud.. our farm prospects fill the remaining holes. Bam we got a team that can be a contender again in 4-5 years.

Hard not to be pessimistic in these trying times but a competitive team takes time and players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk aren't things you replace simply by "rebuilding". Things will likely get darker before the dawn again.

Or maybe they wont! I don't know. haha

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

May want to wait for the return first

Nah, did not want him on the team going forward. He'll be paid more then he is worth imo.

[calgarygeologist]

I haven't looked through all the comments so forgive me if this has already been brought up but if you are a team that is on Chucky's trade list is there much of an incentive to look at a trade in the next year with the Flames vs waiting until he becomes a free agent?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Racki

I think some of us are underestimating the fire that burns inside Darryl Sutter. He will love going to battle with an underdog “us vs the world” group. This is assuming we retool and not rebuild.

Need to retool here for him to even have a shot.

A Mercer/Stutzle/Kyrou coming back is a must to even give Sutter the bare minimum offense to work with.

Hopefully one of those guys and a signing like Milano. Then Sutter can do his coal to diamonds thing that he does.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I haven't looked through all the comments so forgive me if this has already been brought up but if you are a team that is on Chucky's trade list is there much of an incentive to look at a trade in the next year with the Flames vs waiting until he becomes a free agent?

I think New Jersey and Gaudreau is the response. If you wait until free agency, then he may choose elsewhere. However, if you can get him now and signed, then he is certainly acquired.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I haven't looked through all the comments so forgive me if this has already been brought up but if you are a team that is on Chucky's trade list is there much of an incentive to look at a trade in the next year with the Flames vs waiting until he becomes a free agent?

If there's multiple teams in the list, then you'll be bidding and no guarantees you'll get him. If you're a team that wants him, then the smart move is to go and get him.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I may be alone on this but I'm super stoked. Tkachuk will never have the value he has right now and he was never the guy to take us to the promise land. The only thing that bothered me about losing Johnny is it was for nothing. Those two guys just weren't going to do it for us so to the outside looking in with the points that they got this season, it looks like a huge loss for us but I think this is the best scenario for the team.

I don't mind Johnny leaving but losing Tkachuk stings a little more.

He's younger than Johnny, tougher, intelligent, well-spoken, and would appear to have leadership qualities that are rare in the NHL. It's rare to find a player like that.

However, unlike Johnny he never seemed to be very close with his teammates on the Flames who by all accounts are a fun and close-knit group. I always found that a little odd - but based on that it's not a huge shock that he wants a change of scenery.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I haven't looked through all the comments so forgive me if this has already been brought up but if you are a team that is on Chucky's trade list is there much of an incentive to look at a trade in the next year with the Flames vs waiting until he becomes a free agent?

The fact that Tkachuk wants to sign a long term deal this year and not to go to free agency, he probably knows how hard it will be to replicate 100+ point season next year so if he wants as much money as possible he should sign right now. So most likely scenario is him being traded to one of the teams he would be willing to sign long term with and those teams competing with each other to get Tkachuk

[sa226]

Even though, in the long run I think this is actually a good thing, talk about the darkest time-line.

Enter the playoffs as a top 5 cup contender, only to lose to the Oilers and then lose your top 2 point getters.

Oof.

If it wasn't for Sutter, I'd say tear it all down. But he's still here (for now) and there are still decent pieces in place. I think the path forward will be partially be dictated by the return on the Tkachuk trade. If its high end futures, tear it down. If its pieces that can play now, retool.

[Philly06Cup]

All the talk about Tkachuk being honorable and transparent while Gaudreau was a deceitful weasel is WILD.

Tkachuk signed a 3yr ELC, then a 3 year bridge deal for $7MM AAV that was backloaded in his favor. Now instead of negotiating his final year or negotiating an extension, he's demanding a trade and saying he won't play his final year here. That is a dick move.

Flames are supposed to have him for 7 years -- he says nah brah, you get me for 6, with some trading power. People here are congratulating him for how honest he is, when really he is screwing the team hard.

Gaudreau gave up two years of UFA status and signed a very team friendly deal. People continue to #### on him.

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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I haven't looked through all the comments so forgive me if this has already been brought up but if you are a team that is on Chucky's trade list is there much of an incentive to look at a trade in the next year with the Flames vs waiting until he becomes a free agent?

Well you'd have the advantage of having him on your roster a year sooner.

And he said he's not signing long term, and the Flames won't just sign him to his QO, so he's getting traded somewhere in the next couple weeks.

[Soccergirl1987]

Originally Posted by Kickazzflames

I don't think we are going to be happy with whatever return we get. I also think if we decide to tear down and rebuild any 1st rounders we get will be slapped with lottery protection. Without our own first going into next year.. odds of Bedard are likely waay out the window.

It's a franchise defining moment here that started with Gaudreau.

It's a scary time to be sure. Hockey in Calgary is in for so many possibilities:

-Years of mediocrity.. not good enough for playoffs but not bad enough for high picks (Most likely outcome)

-Years of Endless rebuild where we can seem to make the right picks to build a contender from, we become a bottom feeder that can't seem to ever find an identity

-Franchise moves cities after no new arena deal materializes and Edwards decides this team no longer is viable to make money and sells the team to an American buyer.

-Rebuild works.. We make a solid 1st round pick with our return on tkachuk (extremely rare), find another couple of Gaudreau/Brodie type picks in the later rounds, our prospect in the return turns out to be a stud.. our farm prospects fill the remaining holes. Bam we got a team that can be a contender again in 4-5 years.

Hard not to be pessimistic in these trying times but a competitive team takes time and players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk aren't things you replace simply by "rebuilding". Things will likely get darker before the dawn again.

Or maybe they wont! I don't know. haha

Ithought we still had our first next year? It was the 2022 pick this year that was traded for toffoli... unless I am totally out to lunch.

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Originally Posted by Soccergirl1987

Ithought we still had our first next year? It was the 2022 pick this year that was traded for toffoli... unless I am totally out to lunch.

We have our 1st next year. We don't have a 3rd (Jarnkrok trade) or 5th (Toffoli trade).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Need to retool here for him to even have a shot.

A Mercer/Stutzle/Kyrou coming back is a must to even give Sutter the bare minimum offense to work with.

Hopefully one of those guys and a signing like Milano. Then Sutter can do his coal to diamonds thing that he does.

Stutzle is not going anywhere.

The other two are certainly in the mix though.

And what is "a must" will depend entirely on what is being offered. Treliving will have to make the best of what he is offered.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

All the talk about Tkachuk being honorable and transparent while Gaudreau was a deceitful weasel is WILD.

Tkachuk signed a 3yr ELC, then a 3 year bridge deal for $7MM AAV that was backloaded in his favor. Now instead of negotiating his final year or negotiating an extension, he's demanding a trade and saying he won't play his final year here. That is a dick move.

Flames are supposed to have him for 7 years -- he says nah brah, you get me for 6, with some trading power. People here are congratulating him for how honest he is, when really he is screwing the team hard.

Gaudreau gave up two years of UFA status and signed a very team friendly deal. People continue to #### on him.

Well my stance is they're both dicks. So there.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

All the talk about Tkachuk being honorable and transparent while Gaudreau was a deceitful weasel is WILD.

Tkachuk signed a 3yr ELC, then a 3 year bridge deal for $7MM AAV that was backloaded in his favor. Now instead of negotiating his final year or negotiating an extension, he's demanding a trade and saying he won't play his final year here. That is a dick move.

Flames are supposed to have him for 7 years -- he says nah brah, you get me for 6, with some trading power. People here are congratulating him for how honest he is, when really he is screwing the team hard.

Gaudreau gave up two years of UFA status and signed a very team friendly deal. People continue to #### on him.

I think Tkachuk would play here for one more year if that is what the Flames wanted to do.