[LOL] Coyotes release their STH seating chart for their 5000 person arena

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't really understand the geographical or logistical issues in the Phoenix market. I gather from what people are saying is that Glendale is terrible and Tempe is awesome, but they both look like they are the same distance on the periphery from Phoenix proper on the map.

Using Vancouver as a reference for people who have been to both cities, is Glendale kind of like Surrey (no real entertainment district, garbage commercial area, and mostly suburbia and sprawl), while Tempe is more like Burnaby (a little more developed commercially and better infrastructure to move people)?

On the map, neither Glendale or Tempe look terribly far from Phoenix proper (nowhere as bad as Ottawa and Kanata for example), but I realize that maps can be deceiving.

The east side of Phoenix is richer and the surrounding cities of Scottsdale, Mesa, Tempe have more money. Glendale.had nothing of substance around or than the one development.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

The east side of Phoenix is richer and the surrounding cities of Scottsdale, Mesa, Tempe have more money. Glendale.had nothing of substance around or than the one development.

But it was beside the football stadium!!!!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't really understand the geographical or logistical issues in the Phoenix market. I gather from what people are saying is that Glendale is terrible and Tempe is awesome, but they both look like they are the same distance on the periphery from Phoenix proper on the map.

Equate it to building the new Calgary Event Center in Falcon Ridge over on the 201. Not really close to where the majority of your ticketholders live or where the money in the city is. Of course, Calgary is much smaller than the Metro Phoenix area, so even this comparison is not fair.

Using Vancouver as a reference for people who have been to both cities, is Glendale kind of like Surrey (no real entertainment district, garbage commercial area, and mostly suburbia and sprawl), while Tempe is more like Burnaby (a little more developed commercially and better infrastructure to move people)?

I wouldn't use Vancouver as an example because Vancouver's road systems are really bad in comparison to Phoenix's. The money in Vancouver is distributed differently as well. Calgary is a better comparable, but even then not really.

On the map, neither Glendale or Tempe look terribly far from Phoenix proper (nowhere as bad as Ottawa and Kanata for example), but I realize that maps can be deceiving.

Tempe is extremely attractive because it is at the confluence of major road arteries for the east valley where the money is. The west side of town is a little more industrial in nature so not as affluent. Metro Phoenix is also really boxed in for growth. The region is constrained by mountain ranges and the many reservations around it (native American, forest, military, and critical infrastructure) limiting growth in certain directions. The real only areas of growth are through the extreme northeast, the east valley, and the extreme southeast. The expansion through the west valley is predominantly industrial and lower income communities. There are pockets of affluence, but the majority of the communities in Glendale, Peoria, Litchfield Park, and Goodyear are very middle-class neighborhoods and the commercial development is industrial. The east valley is different with the growth in east Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, and Queen Creek really attracting more affluent populations and more white-collar businesses. The old money in the metro areas are in pockets of Phoenix like Arcadia and then in Paradise Valley and Scottsdale, extending out to Cave Creek/Carefree. The important corridors for traffic from all of these communities remain to be the 101 and 202 loops.

The best location for a new arena is in the location that is proposed. No doubt. The only issue is "should" that space be used and if there is a need for a new arena and yet another entertainment district? As a hockey fan who wants to see NHL hockey, I would say yes. As a citizen of region who understands the needs of the cities and the needs for attracting employers that will pay the money needed to afford to live in the core, I would say no. We already have three arenas capable of hosting large events over 15,000 people. Every municipality has jumped on the entertainment district bandwagon and has developed unique and vibrant areas to be exploited. Every municipality has at least one major performing arts center which sit idle more often than not. The last thing we need is another entertainment district that draws flies when the major tenant does not have an event, which is pretty often given the number of properties available for performances. The land in question should be used for commercial development and more high-end office space which will draw in businesses that will pay a good wage and drive gentrification efforts in both Tempe and south Scottsdale. A new entertainment district will not bring in the businesses that will pay the wages needed to live in the very community where the investment is taking place. This is why these efforts are being viewed with a very skeptical eye, especially those in government. The Glendale and Mesa white elephants (Cubs spring training facilities) have people concerned about the investment, the benefits, and long-term viability of the project.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Hey look! it's the resident Phoenix expert!

It doesn't need one, no but unless the Suns get sold to a friendly new owner who would be willing to either buy the Coyotes outright or partner in making Footprint Center Hockey viable.. it is what it is. You have an ownership group who want that land, want to build an arena and open an entertainment district in that location that I believe will be highly successful because it is in the right location. Near Scottsdale, ASU, Tempe, Gilbert, Chandler, Phoenix itself and one exit from the airport so it will absolutely be a high tourism gain. The hockey team is just a small part of the equation.

Paging Jay Random to tell us it's all about the gambling license.

[Jordan!]

Being a Coyotes fan is hard... I mean, come on. lol

https://twitter.com/ArizonaCoyotes/s...pr6S4rmTLupRvw

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Being a Coyotes fan is hard... I mean, come on. lol

https://twitter.com/ArizonaCoyotes/s...pr6S4rmTLupRvw

Arizona Coyotes - the Thrift Store Hockey Team

[Strange Brew]

Lol. A good friend of mine works for Goodwill. They are a not for profit obviously and have very little money with which to pay their people.

Frankly I’m not sure why they’d even entertain a sponsorship deal, seems like an odd use of their resources. But I guarantee they’re not paying very much.

[Coach]

Between Mullet Arena of 5000 and Goodwill sponsor, it’s like they are purposely leaning into the parody.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The jokes write themselves...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Lol. A good friend of mine works for Goodwill. They are a not for profit obviously and have very little money with which to pay their people.

Frankly I’m not sure why they’d even entertain a sponsorship deal, seems like an odd use of their resources. But I guarantee they’re not paying very much.

Oh, I think you have to do a little bit of research into ye ol' Goodwill.

[dino7c]

Goodwill sells stuff they get for free and gives around 10% of profits to charity. 6 billion in revenue per year.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Goodwill sells stuff they get for free and gives around 10% of profits to charity. 6 billion in revenue per year.

Oh yes, they are far, far, far from 'Non Profit.'

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Goodwill sells stuff they get for free and gives around 10% of profits to charity. 6 billion in revenue per year.

According to Wikipedia, it is precisely the reverse: of $6 billion in revenue in fiscal 2018, Goodwill ‘spent $5.27 billion on charitable services’ and the rest on salaries and operating expenses. They are, in fact, chartered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.

CharityWatch gives Goodwill Industries International an A grade, with 87% of its spending on programs and 13% on overhead, and $2 spent on fundraising per $100 in contributions.

[Reggie Dunlop]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1597762575101747202

Big vote tonight.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

According to Wikipedia, it is precisely the reverse: of $6 billion in revenue in fiscal 2018, Goodwill ‘spent $5.27 billion on charitable services’ and the rest on salaries and operating expenses. They are, in fact, chartered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.

CharityWatch gives Goodwill Industries International an A grade, with 87% of its spending on programs and 13% on overhead, and $2 spent on fundraising per $100 in contributions.

Yet somehow they have millions for helmet ads

Take wiki with a grain of salt here

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh, I think you have to do a little bit of research into ye ol' Goodwill.

Where is it you think the proceeds from their thrift stores go exactly? Their shareholders? And someone else lists their revenue total in support of declaring they are not a NFP?

Wtf?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Arizona Coyotes - the Thrift Store Hockey Team

It’s more of a pawn shop.

A place where other teams go to hawk their once valuable wares.

[Northendzone]

I believe that tonight chris johnstone tweeted that Bettman has promised the folks in Tempe that the totes will stay for 30 years if they build a new arena.

Imagine a half century of hockey in a town that really does not seem to want it.

I can only imagine the total financial carnage this team has brought to everyone involved.

I would think it would be hard to sell the team with that kind of arrangement in place, but what do I know as I am not in the market to buy such a money sucking toy

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yet somehow they have millions for helmet ads

Take wiki with a grain of salt here

So Goodwill is a for profit corporation, And they are paying the Coyotes millions of dollars.

The first is factually incorrect. And the second you just made up I imagine.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So Goodwill is a for profit corporation, And they are paying the Coyotes millions of dollars.

The first is factually incorrect. And the second you just made up I imagine.

You think they got their name on NHL helmets for 100k or something?
"non-profit" can be misleading...they obviously have money to burn on "business expenses"

point being in the original context they aren't broke like the guy said...they have a massive revenue stream selling things they get for free.