2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If that was in my hood I would have been by there with a sharp instrument so fast.

A pen bow and arrow like I used to make in class would be a discrete way to take it out.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Obligatory flyby #### post:
Well, are they dangerous terrorists or not? When your being mocked for packing up your bouncy castle and Coleman stoves, it sort of feels like any other point in the ‘not meeting the definition of the term and we should probably stop ####ing using it so lightly’ column.

Serious question, do you think terrorists are just like… a thing that people are in totality? Terrorists can’t give up? Or have dinner? Or chat with their friends? It’s just all terrorism 24/7 ending in a suicide bombing or something?

Do you see a convicted pedophile throwing a steak on the BBQ and say “well, so much for him being a pedophile! He’s grilling meat like a normal person right in front of me!”

I don’t get what your point is.

[Ozy_Flame]

The real victims in all of this disastrous gong show:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494442987887251458

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Obligatory flyby #### post:
Well, are they dangerous terrorists or not? When your being mocked for packing up your bouncy castle and Coleman stoves, it sort of feels like any other point in the ‘not meeting the definition of the term and we should probably stop ####ing using it so lightly’ column.

From a guy who rants and raves over guests at an airBnB on your street, I’m surprised this is your tune here. If these people were honking horns and assaulting your neighbours for three straight weeks perhaps you’d be more opposed.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Numerous videos circulating of stuff being taken down and some of the leaders being arrested.

Wouldn't have happened without the Emergency Act being invoked!

Oh wait......

Originally Posted by Azure

Well considering the HoC is going to vote on it later today, has it been invoked yet?

Now I'm actually wondering cause of all the reports of accounts being frozen.

LOL. Maybe dial back the condescension a bit when it's clear how poorly informed you are on the matter.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

LOL. Maybe dial back the condescension a bit when it's clear how poorly informed you are on the matter.

If there's one thing Azure doesn't get tired of, it's being wrong about stuff.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Obligatory flyby #### post:
Well, are they dangerous terrorists or not? When your being mocked for packing up your bouncy castle and Coleman stoves, it sort of feels like any other point in the ‘not meeting the definition of the term and we should probably stop ####ing using it so lightly’ column.

Ask the senior citizens who live downtown and were afraid to walk outside of their apartments if they felt terrorized or not. Or how about Asians, women, or anyone wearing a mask and receiving verbal/physical harassment just for walking down the street

[Minnie]

[topfiverecords]

Enjoy your loss of freedom Tamara Witch.

[Roof-Daddy]

Most of the protesters are just dumb sheep that read too much Facebook and think their freedoms are being taken away. When in reality it's just the government putting restrictions in place for the greater good of all of us in order to reduce the burden on the health care system and the amount of extra deaths that would occur as a result of that burden.

Every village used to have an idiot, but now with the internet, every idiot has a village. So a bunch of idiots took their villages to Ottawa and Coutts, etc and in the end did more damage than good, especially to the economy and their fellow Canadians.

So sad and infuriating at the same time.

[ThatsWhatSheSaid]

Here's a question for the "this is internet mob outrage" posters who think all views should be given space and respect: Putting aside the actual consequences of property desecration/economic impact, if you found out it was the Taliban who organized these "protests" about "freedom," would you extend this convoy and their supporters the same grace you are advocating for? Would you be ok with your money possibly (likely) going to terrorism? Or would you raise an eyebrow at their motivations and very vocally reject any support for them?

It's difficult to remain silent when members on this board continue to push the narrative of anyone being angered by support of the convoy as being "the intolerant left." These are anarchists who have preyed on the current covid fatigue to serve their own agendas which have absolutely nothing to do with Covid or mandates. Why should this unlawful behavior and offensive rhetoric be tolerated at the expense of our economy and wellbeing of our fellow law-abiding Canadians? Outrage at this convoy is not a uniquely left-leaning CP poster characteristic. Millennial conservative here, and my disgust of their rhetoric/tactics have nothing to do with political ideology or mob mentality. I may not personally like Trudeau or the fact that he is PM, but I certainly believe in the democratic process and have no desire to see him ejected from his position by the outcries of a bunch of racist and militant insurgents.

The leaders of this convoy have long been anti-government and have deeply entrenched views about white nationalism and are underhandedly trying to garner support to 'restore order' where the color of your skin determines your standing in society. To use violence against anyone who does not share their troubling views. To overlook this in the name of "just a few bad apples" and "well I sympathize with their mandate fatigue" is a gross miscalculation of the intent of these organizers. So while not all supporters of the convoy are literal naz!s, that does not mean they are not highly irresponsible for blindly funding a cause out of pure selfishness in wanting a pandemic to disappear overnight. They don't deserve the same admonishment as the organizers, but they deserve some admonishment nonetheless. It also makes one question their principles.

Personally, if this was the 1930's and Hitler was holding a rally to collect donations and support for disarmament/banishing automatic weapons - even if I believed in the specific cause, I would find it difficult to stand with someone I knew to hold views about race purity and segregating Jewish people. Not to mention the hypocrisy in him likely funding armament for his own agenda. Directly contravening what he claims to be protesting about, because the real intent is only to gain support/funding for his true cause and create chaos and delegitimize anyone opposing him by saying they are "pro-violence." When they are in fact, only objecting to his character and methods.
Do not be fooled by this convoy, they are very much doing the same, and gaslighting anyone who opposes them as being anti-freedom while literally trying to usurp democracy. If left unchecked, they will become more aggressive/violent, and all these new supporters of theirs, over time, will be vulnerable to whatever dangerous things they spew. The first page of the cult handbook is to create chaos and frenzy your followers into mistrusting anyone except YOU. Once you do that, anything else you say, even if it doesn't feel right to them, they willingly follow you into darkness. So, it is absolutely within all of our rights and responsibilities to be as vocal and outraged as possible about what is wrong with this whole situation, much as it is the right and responsibility of family members to speak up when one of their own is being recruited by a cult. Don't conflate that with intolerance.

This is not cancel culture (something I have some issues with myself), it's being held accountable for extremist views and grotesquely selfish/destructive actions. As with recent "Trump" years, allowing "all views" to be legitimized have made closet-naz!s emboldened in a time where it's been made to seem ok to say the offensive quiet part out loud while simultaneously claiming victimhood. This is not the same as all the other protests that have been discussed on this forum, but an entirely different beast of its own when you actually look deeper.

I don't give a fata-ing fata about where you are on the political spectrum, how you feel about mandates, and what your take is on cancel culture - to side with these would-be insurrectionists, or offer them any compassion, removes any moral superiority you think you hold in this world. Even if these terrorists had actually protested peacefully, it would be sickening to stand alongside them figuratively or literally. Do NOT normalize giving voices to morally corrupt individuals and allowing them to spread their vitriol. Do NOT normalize only supporting "the issue," and therefore being willing to ignore someone's moral character and what they stand for.

It's exactly that type of selective apathy that allows 'fringe' to become more mainstream. Hate Trudeau all you want, be annoyed with mandates, heck, even go protest peacefully (and lawfully) with a different organization to your little heart's content - just don't channel those frustrations into supporting something in which you don't fully understand. Make no mistake - the true intent of this convoy (beyond the already visible consequences of taking our cities and economy hostage) is to gain notoriety, additional followers, delegitimize the very principles of our democratic process and governing bodies, with an endgame to restore white nationalism. Ultimately, the degree of success in which they will be able to accomplish that, is not the point. The point is, can you stomach supporting people that hold those values, and what that says about you.

[Flambé]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494505203298619398

What's one more truck.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Just so I am clear, the grounds for her arrest are disturbing the peace which is already a part of the criminal code and not the new emergency powers that the Feds invoked?

[bluejays]

This brotherhood of hillbillies is embarrassing. Can't believe these sets of dumbasses found a way to get so many followers. Where are the minorities here? People who have actually felt oppression in other countries want nothing to do with this nonsense.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flambé

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494505203298619398

What's one more truck.

“Freedom!” “We the people!”

Get ####ed.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Chris Barber was arrested for alleged counselling to commit mischief, obstruction, and counselling to commit obstruction.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...-fencing-goes/

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Ask the senior citizens who live downtown and were afraid to walk outside of their apartments if they felt terrorized or not. Or how about Asians, women, or anyone wearing a mask and receiving verbal/physical harassment just for walking down the street

I’ve stated it before, and will again.

“Terrorism” is a very specific charge, which according to the criminal code has a specific set of rather serious criteria. By all accounts, (with the exception of maybe those charged in relation to weapons at Coutts) the law, even the federal government, which saw fit to invoke Emergencies Act, has not acted in any manner that would support defining this ‘group’ or protestors as “terrorists”.

Any maintaining the integrity of that definition is fundamental to preventing it being a card played by shifty governments and special interests groups to justify certain measures.

If we allow applying a terrorist label where it isn’t appropriate, by law, we introduce a shallow measure of subjectivity to one of the most serious and broadly punishable aspects of the criminal code. There is not a doubt in my mind that we will see conservative governments call protestors terrorists the moment it suits them, and I’m not okay with that. It’s not an ad hominem, but a serious charge that provides a tremendous amount of power to authorities.

None of that diminishes the law breakers, the bylaw infringements, the harassment or whatever else. I’m putting stock in the institutes of our nation, who have access to knowledge and evidence far greater than I’ve been paying attention) that their reponse is more appropriate than some Twitter tales. I repeat my assertion that the actions of this group by and large don’t meet any definition of terrorism, or the government would have invoked the whole of their powers under such law.

[81MC]

Also I find it funny I’m told not to compare different protests against government policies because they’re not the same. And then we have someone using the Taliban to make their point?

The Taliban. The group that acid baths girls faces on their way to school. Responsible for literal war crimes and thousands of civilian deaths. Yeah, talk about some cockamamie comparisons.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by 81MC

“Terrorism” is a very specific charge, which according to the criminal code has a specific set of rather serious criteria.

Words have legal definitions, they also have nonlegal definitions, which are often not identical. Unless we are specifically dealing with a legal context, someone could be a terrorist in the usual sense of the word, even if they don't meet the legal threshold. The post you were replying to was talking about feelings.

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by ThatsWhatSheSaid

Here's a question for the "this is internet mob outrage" posters who think all views should be given space and respect: Putting aside the actual consequences of property desecration/economic impact, if you found out it was the Taliban who organized these "protests" about "freedom," would you extend this convoy and their supporters the same grace you are advocating for? Would you be ok with your money possibly (likely) going to terrorism? Or would you raise an eyebrow at their motivations and very vocally reject any support for them?

It's difficult to remain silent when members on this board continue to push the narrative of anyone being angered by support of the convoy as being "the intolerant left." These are anarchists who have preyed on the current covid fatigue to serve their own agendas which have absolutely nothing to do with Covid or mandates. Why should this unlawful behavior and offensive rhetoric be tolerated at the expense of our economy and wellbeing of our fellow law-abiding Canadians? Outrage at this convoy is not a uniquely left-leaning CP poster characteristic. Millennial conservative here, and my disgust of their rhetoric/tactics have nothing to do with political ideology or mob mentality. I may not personally like Trudeau or the fact that he is PM, but I certainly believe in the democratic process and have no desire to see him ejected from his position by the outcries of a bunch of racist and militant insurgents.

The leaders of this convoy have long been anti-government and have deeply entrenched views about white nationalism and are underhandedly trying to garner support to 'restore order' where the color of your skin determines your standing in society. To use violence against anyone who does not share their troubling views. To overlook this in the name of "just a few bad apples" and "well I sympathize with their mandate fatigue" is a gross miscalculation of the intent of these organizers. So while not all supporters of the convoy are literal naz!s, that does not mean they are not highly irresponsible for blindly funding a cause out of pure selfishness in wanting a pandemic to disappear overnight. They don't deserve the same admonishment as the organizers, but they deserve some admonishment nonetheless. It also makes one question their principles.

Personally, if this was the 1930's and Hitler was holding a rally to collect donations and support for disarmament/banishing automatic weapons - even if I believed in the specific cause, I would find it difficult to stand with someone I knew to hold views about race purity and segregating Jewish people. Not to mention the hypocrisy in him likely funding armament for his own agenda. Directly contravening what he claims to be protesting about, because the real intent is only to gain support/funding for his true cause and create chaos and delegitimize anyone opposing him by saying they are "pro-violence." When they are in fact, only objecting to his character and methods.
Do not be fooled by this convoy, they are very much doing the same, and gaslighting anyone who opposes them as being anti-freedom while literally trying to usurp democracy. If left unchecked, they will become more aggressive/violent, and all these new supporters of theirs, over time, will be vulnerable to whatever dangerous things they spew. The first page of the cult handbook is to create chaos and frenzy your followers into mistrusting anyone except YOU. Once you do that, anything else you say, even if it doesn't feel right to them, they willingly follow you into darkness. So, it is absolutely within all of our rights and responsibilities to be as vocal and outraged as possible about what is wrong with this whole situation, much as it is the right and responsibility of family members to speak up when one of their own is being recruited by a cult. Don't conflate that with intolerance.

This is not cancel culture (something I have some issues with myself), it's being held accountable for extremist views and grotesquely selfish/destructive actions. As with recent "Trump" years, allowing "all views" to be legitimized have made closet-naz!s emboldened in a time where it's been made to seem ok to say the offensive quiet part out loud while simultaneously claiming victimhood. This is not the same as all the other protests that have been discussed on this forum, but an entirely different beast of its own when you actually look deeper.

I don't give a fata-ing fata about where you are on the political spectrum, how you feel about mandates, and what your take is on cancel culture - to side with these would-be insurrectionists, or offer them any compassion, removes any moral superiority you think you hold in this world. Even if these terrorists had actually protested peacefully, it would be sickening to stand alongside them figuratively or literally. Do NOT normalize giving voices to morally corrupt individuals and allowing them to spread their vitriol. Do NOT normalize only supporting "the issue," and therefore being willing to ignore someone's moral character and what they stand for.

It's exactly that type of selective apathy that allows 'fringe' to become more mainstream. Hate Trudeau all you want, be annoyed with mandates, heck, even go protest peacefully (and lawfully) with a different organization to your little heart's content - just don't channel those frustrations into supporting something in which you don't fully understand. Make no mistake - the true intent of this convoy (beyond the already visible consequences of taking our cities and economy hostage) is to gain notoriety, additional followers, delegitimize the very principles of our democratic process and governing bodies, with an endgame to restore white nationalism. Ultimately, the degree of success in which they will be able to accomplish that, is not the point. The point is, can you stomach supporting people that hold those values, and what that says about you.

Wow...fantastic post.