2022: The year the world returns to war?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Rifle diplomacy will lead to untold human suffering and should be the absolute last resort.

Having seen the results of this we are 100% in agreement.

But 22 yr old me..............

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

RT is such a strange network. I know it's essentially the Fox news network for Russia. But who the hell are these Brits working for the network that are trotting the Kremlin's line? Its just so...f'ing weird to hear a panel go on like this with straight faces speaking perfect English.

Everything from saying Kyiv killed the Minsk agreement, Kyiv is torturing residence of the east in Ukraine, and the Maidan revolution was a coup d'état that instilled a government that resorts to violence. Now they are showing a 'live feed' of 20 people dancing in the streets in celebration.

Do they honestly believe all this, or are they the perfect actors just because it's their jobs? Such a weird channel.

You should read Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible by Peter Pomerantsev. He details how these networks function is good detail in the first few chapters. I may still have a text copy if interested.

[Table 5]

I won't even pretend to fully understand the complexity of the Russia-Ukraine situation, but I found it interesting to read Putin's entire speech. Like most things in Russia seem to be, it's steeped in historical context...or at least one man's perspective of it.

It's a long one, and bring a bag of salt, but if you have 10 minutes...always neat to read a primary source.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67828

[CroFlames]

I read the first few paragraphs and will read the rest later. It's unbelievable the way he talks. He's basically saying Ukraine is Russian.

If a German Chancellor started talking about 'historic' German lands that are now part of Poland I can't imagine the blowback from international media.

[btimbit]

Yeah they definitely have long memories over there. In their eyes that's still a part of their country. So crazy to me

It's like if the UK invaded the rest of Ireland

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Yeah they definitely have long memories over there. In their eyes that's still a part of their country. So crazy to me

It's like if the UK invaded the rest of Ireland

Worth it to ensure a steady supply of the Black Stuff.

[Elkyiv]

I watched this entire meeting live (fluent in Russian) and it is incredible how deluded his staff is. It's just constant parroting of everything he said somewhere sometime before.

But this exchange below perfectly illuminates how terrified they are of him and even confused at his goals. Don't know how to embed youtube..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xzFRVlpZI

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

I watched this entire meeting live (fluent in Russian) and it is incredible how deluded his staff is. It's just constant parroting of everything he said somewhere sometime before.

But this exchange below perfectly illuminates how terrified they are of him and even confused at his goals. Don't know how to embed youtube..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xzFRVlpZI

I'll support whatever you tell me to, just please don't thrown me and my family out the window.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We should deescalate not escalate.

Do you think Putin is rational enough not to unleash nuclear holocaust on the West? Our only recourse would be to unleash nuclear holocaust on them. And then nobody wins.

Did you read the first line of my post?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

I watched this entire meeting live (fluent in Russian) and it is incredible how deluded his staff is. It's just constant parroting of everything he said somewhere sometime before.

But this exchange below perfectly illuminates how terrified they are of him and even confused at his goals. Don't know how to embed youtube..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xzFRVlpZI

There are a lot more people on this board fluent in Russian than I'd have thought.

Potential Russian invasion of CP? We know they have long memories in the Motherland and they're probably still stinging over the Canadian Victory at the Great Battle of Wannamaker.

They might have been heavily invested in the Cultural Heritage of that funny Coffee Cup Birdfeeder or whatever.

[Azure]

Canada announces sanctions against Russia. Eastern Canada buys something like $500 million in oil per year from Russia. Gee, I wonder how that is going to go.

I wonder, is there somewhere else they could get that oil from?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Azure

Canada announces sanctions against Russia. Eastern Canada buys something like $500 million in oil per year from Russia. Gee, I wonder how that is going to go.

I wonder, is there somewhere else they could get that oil from?

Thank God for the Saudi's, amirite

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Locke

There are a lot more people on this board fluent in Russian than I'd have thought.

Potential Russian invasion of CP? ...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Trade Deadline UFA signing?!?

"Hmm...the Flames are getting a lot more Powerplays recently...the refs look a little scared...has anyone seen Anton Babchuk recently? Should we do a Welfare Check?"

[Cheese]

An excellent, albeit long article from the Kyiv Independent.

Center for Defense Strategies
https://kyivindependent.com/opinion/...orld-analysis/

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Locke

Potential Russian invasion of CP? We know they have long memories in the Motherland and they're probably still stinging over the Canadian Victory at the Great Battle of Wannamaker.

I still have my avatar because one of the Russians in the Wannamaker War told me my username was a kind of bus.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by icarus

I still have my avatar because one of the Russians in the Wannamaker War told me my username was a kind of bus.

Ah! So you were duly anointed for 'Valor in the face of danger' at the Skirmish for 'Hah Hill.'

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

So basically:

• Allow us to officially take the land we stole from you. Let us have it once and for all.

• Do not join the organization that is designed to protect you from us (even though you are now experiencing first hand as to WHY you should join)

• And stop finding ways to defend yourself from US, on agression we ourselves started."

Those might be his official ways to "resolve" this crises. And yet each point is complete utter bull####, based on acts fabricated by Putin himself.

How do you even begin to negotiate with nonsense like that? Christ.

Putin's madman speech, reckless actions and general demeanor somewhat obscures that the demands are not that unreasonable.

Annexation should never be allowed, but Crimea is not something that Russia just took from Ukraine. Crimea had been Russian for centuries and Ukraine should have given it back when USSR dissolved. Crimea is not something to sweat, let alone bleed, over, but it's not like Putin just randomly grabbed some region of his choice. The circumstances of Crimea ending up in Ukraine at the first place are disputable at best.

Demands about Ukraine not joining NATO are directed at NATO, not Ukrainian. The Cold War ended on terms that Warsaw block dissolves and NATO does not expand East. This has been supported by some respected western sources. Putin, for all his ramblings, didn't just made it up because he so please. Also Ukraine is welcome to join EU and they seem to have a collective defensive agreement on their own right. Or US can fund a large defensive army in Ukraine.

Those demands is not something Putin just made out of the blue. Which means, he is not going to demand something else tomorrow because he so please.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Putin's madman speech, reckless actions and general demeanor somewhat obscures that the demands are not that unreasonable.

Annexation should never be allowed, but Crimea is not something that Russia just took from Ukraine. Crimea had been Russian for centuries and Ukraine should have given it back when USSR dissolved. Crimea is not something to sweat, let alone bleed, over, but it's not like Putin just randomly grabbed some region of his choice. The circumstances of Crimea ending up in Ukraine at the first place are disputable at best.

Demands about Ukraine not joining NATO are directed at NATO, not Ukrainian. The Cold War ended on terms that Warsaw block dissolves and NATO does not expand East. This has been supported by some respected western sources. Putin, for all his ramblings, didn't just made it up because he so please. Also Ukraine is welcome to join EU and they seem to have a collective defensive agreement on their own right. Or US can fund a large defensive army in Ukraine.

Those demands is not something Putin just made out of the blue. Which means, he is not going to demand something else tomorrow because he so please.

why wouldn't he? if he gets away with this what's to say he decides he wants Poland back?

[Pointman]

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early

Washington DC archives seem to be proving Putin's claims to be correct.