[News] Monahan knows what's on the line this season: 'I have a lot to prove'

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Monahan is clearly not the same player he was. The chance of him lighting it up in the playoffs is low. He won't be very easy to move, but he will have to be moved if the Flames want to sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Kylington and Mangiapane. I'd love to see them keep Zadorov and Gudbranson too.

Lucic, Backlund, Dube, and Monahan are the logical guys to trade. They all have value in their own way, and short contracts, but some picks may need to be included. They free up $19.275 if no salary is retained. We will probably get some players in return but I'm not going to include that in this analysis.

If we assume the following,
Gaudreau at 10M is an extra $3.25M
Tkachuk at 9M is an extra $2.0M
Mangiapane on a bridge at $5.75M is an extra $3.325M
Kylington on a bridge at $3.5M is an extra $2.75M
Combined this adds $11.325M

The rest of the expiries, including Brouwer buyout, free up $11.2516M

If we take the $19.275M from the trade
The expiries of $11.2516M
and subtract the big dog signings above of $11.325
we have $19.20 to sign the following,
#5/#6 D
three C's
two wingers.

Sign Ruczika for 850K.
Bring up Pelletier for 863.333K
Bring up two 4th liners, sign 2 cheap 4th liners, or a combo for a combined $1.5M
Sign Zadorov for 4.25M
Sign Gudbranson for 2.0M
Total is $9.463M to sign a #2C, #3C

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Coleman - ??? - Mangiapane
Pelletier - ??? - Toffoli
4th Liner - Ruczika - 4th Liner

Hanifin - Andersson
Tanev - Kylington
Zadorov - Gudbranson

Markstrom
Vladar

Tons of assumptions such as Tre being able to make trades, the big dogs signing on those terms, and Pelletier being able to sit on the 2nd or third line, but not all hope is lost..... we might actually be able to keep one of Backlund or Monahan (Backlund preferred) and still be able to make the cap work.

This makes the most sense to me.

At this point, is it a little too late to move Monahan?


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[CSharp]

Backlund will likely go nowhere. So, that leaves 1 center position to fill. Ruczika moves up. Dube may take 4th line center or the Flames find a 4th line center.

The only interesting trade I would do other than Monahan, Dube, and Lucic would be Hanifin with 2 years locked up. He can actually fetch some good value in a blockbuster trade with Monahan. Then move Kylington up to first D-pairing with Andersson. Fill in the 2nd/3rd pairing with someone who can jump in from the farm or sign another big right shot D-man.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

This makes the most sense to me.

At this point, is it a little too late to move Monahan?


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I think we do it in the offseason to a team that has cap room or even needs to meet the floor. 1 year of Monahan isn't a lot of risk if you're not up against the cap. He still gets points and is a decent player.

Lucic is the hardest one for me as I love his presence, but business is business and he needs to go. Losing his grit hurts, but hopefully that could be replaced by 1 or 2 of the guys on the 4th line and we would still have Gudbranson, Zadorov, Tkachuk, Coleman, etc. We wouldn't easily be pushed around.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Backlund will likely go nowhere. So, that leaves 1 center position to fill. Ruczika moves up. Dube may take 4th line center or the Flames find a 4th line center.

The only interesting trade I would do other than Monahan, Dube, and Lucic would be Hanifin with 2 years locked up. He can actually fetch some good value in a blockbuster trade with Monahan. Then move Kylington up to first D-pairing with Andersson. Fill in the 2nd/3rd pairing with someone who can jump in from the farm or sign another big right shot D-man.

Monahan and Hanifin for Barzal?

[Kovaz]

Only thing I disagree with in the above post: I'd easily keep Backlund@5.3M over Zadorov@4.5M. I think it's much more likely that Mackey/Valimaki can step in next to Gudbranson than it is that we'll find a 2C we're happy with in free agency. Especially if Zadorov's looking at a long-term deal at 4.5

[heep223]

Why do we want to trade Hanifin? He’s so underrated around here, that’d be a massive hole.

[TheScorpion]

Every time I see a trade proposal that includes Hanifin, part of my soul withers away.

[The Cobra]

Moving Monny and Lucic without retention or taking salary back?

Lots of luck with that.

I guess if a team desperately needs to hit the cap floor, Lucic after his bonus is paid might be attractive, although its doubtful Lucic would waive for such a team.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why do we want to trade Hanifin? He’s so underrated around here, that’d be a massive hole.

He's got trade value. I think he's overpaid for what he really is. Hate to say this but $4.5Mx4 on Z is way better than $4.95M on Hanifin. The guy is lost most of the time in his own defensive zone coverages. He's a smooth skater, just like JBo, but man, in addition to him having bad coverage, he plays smaller than Kylington who is smaller. If Mackey can fill in the role on the 3rd D-pairing and move Z to second, Hanifin is expendable.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by CSharp

He's got trade value. I think he's overpaid for what he really is. Hate to say this but $4.5Mx4 on Z is way better than $4.95M on Hanifin. The guy is lost most of the time in his own defensive zone coverages. He's a smooth skater, just like JBo, but man, in addition to him having bad coverage, he plays smaller than Kylington who is smaller. If Mackey can fill in the role on the 3rd D-pairing and move Z to second, Hanifin is expendable.

I couldn’t disagree more. He’s excellent at both ends of the ice. His mobility in transition and excellent gap control is a huge part of what has led to success this season.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why do we want to trade Hanifin? He’s so underrated around here, that’d be a massive hole.

I like Hanifin, but when I start looking at the order of priority of players that are harder to replace, he is farther down the list.

He is good, steady, not amazing at anything, but not weak either. Good player, fair contract.

But the team would feel the loss of Andersson, Kylington, and Tanev much more.

Mackey or Valimaki are players that may be able to replace him down the road and could at least fill the spot in the near term.

If we can keep him great, but there may need to be some hard decisions on players, and he is a guy that would carry some significant trade value.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I like Hanifin, but when I start looking at the order of priority of players that are harder to replace, he is farther down the list.

He is good, steady, not amazing at anything, but not weak either. Good player, fair contract.

But the team would feel the loss of Andersson, Kylington, and Tanev much more.

Mackey or Valimaki are players that may be able to replace him down the road and could at least fill the spot in the near term.

If we can keep him great, but there may need to be some hard decisions on players, and he is a guy that would carry some significant trade value.

Valimaki is substantially further behind in development than Hanifin was at the same age. At this point I'm not certain Valimaki will be more than a 3rd pairing tweener. Remember Hanifin is only 2 years older than Juuso.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Valimaki is substantially further behind in development than Hanifin was at the same age. At this point I'm not certain Valimaki will be more than a 3rd pairing tweener. Remember Hanifin is only 2 years older than Juuso.

Valimaki has already been the Flames best defenseman (arguably) in a playoff series for us.

He’s certainly capable of more than what you are saying.

[The Cobra]

Is Hanifin the most underrated player on Calgary these days?

[Goriders]

If Sutter is around for a while I think Dube and Valimaki will get moved.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I like Hanifin, but when I start looking at the order of priority of players that are harder to replace, he is farther down the list.

He is good, steady, not amazing at anything, but not weak either. Good player, fair contract.

But the team would feel the loss of Andersson, Kylington, and Tanev much more.

Mackey or Valimaki are players that may be able to replace him down the road and could at least fill the spot in the near term.

If we can keep him great, but there may need to be some hard decisions on players, and he is a guy that would carry some significant trade value.

Maybe I'm remembering last season incorrectly but wasn't it right at the end with about 10 games to go that Hanafin had a season-ending injury, he was replaced by Stone and the Flames proceeded to not make the playoffs? Obviously there was other variables last season as well, but that was a major reason for the team falling out of the race at the end IMO.

I agree that Mackey and to an extent Valimaki are knocking on the door for third pair duty but Hanafin isn't an easily replaceable guy by any stretch of the imagination. I hope he isn't traded, I'd actually rather entertain trading a Valimaki if they're looking to add to this existing group at the TDL or even in the off-season. I wouldn't want to mess with this top 4.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Valimaki has already been the Flames best defenseman (arguably) in a playoff series for us.

He’s certainly capable of more than what you are saying.

That is true. I'm not sure if that is a statement about Valimakis skills, a damning statement about the rest of the defenseman that year or a combination of the 2.

[djsFlames]

Acquire Jarnkrok who can play C and move Monahan with an asset for incentive.

Cheapest and most accessible instant upgrade.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by delayedreflex

Monahan and Hanifin for Barzal?

Stop trying to move Hanafin.

Hanafil is NOT going anywhere.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Valimaki has already been the Flames best defenseman (arguably) in a playoff series for us.

He’s certainly capable of more than what you are saying.

Yes Valimaki is "capable of more" but the problem is that when he's not moving the puck with precision and he's not using his skating to get himself involved, the rest of his game is not at a place where he can play in the Flames system on a nightly basis. From what I've read, it sounds like Mackey is the next in line and his numbers certainly back that up to a point where he would probably be a decent fit today, but not having the trust of the staff will make it challenging without injury call up to make inroads to supplant Zadorov.

For Monahan, it's sad but you've got a guy who can't contribute at all 5-5, and now with him on the 2nd unit PP, will likely see his already dismal production fall even further off a cliff. For all the nay sayers, he's got his decent linemates again and still you're not seeing any gains. Nobody is touching this guy without sticking a decent pick next to his name or taking something equally as bad back in a trade.