[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by icarus

I'm still holding out hope it will be someone else.

But if true, sad indeed. To lose both Brodie and Gio less than a year apart...

And to get nothing in return for either (other than Gio's cap space for next season). Best pairing in the league for a while. In the end, nothing to show for either.

Flames' asset management at it's finest. The young D on the team got some steppin' up to do. Let's hope they are up to the challenge.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

And to get nothing in return for either (other than Gio's cap space for next season). Best pairing in the league for a while. In the end, nothing to show for either.

Flames' asset management at it's finest. The young D on the team got some steppin' up to do. Let's hope they are up to the challenge.

We got the cap space to sign Tanev when Brodie left. I am also mixed on Gio departing however it does give the management complete flexability to sign guys like Gaudreau and have space to ink Mangiapane and others. Further it allows Treliving to offer a bit of cap space on trades and we all know 20 teams are crazy tight to the cap and would very much look at an extra 2-3 mill in cap space as part of trade. Hockey trades are generally better than free agent signings.

[GS Skier]

On a positive note it's got be good for Gio's ego in that all the expansion draft news puts him in the top 3 of players available to the Kraken along with Tarasenko and Landeskog! Every story has him anchoring the Kraken defense.

[foshizzle11]

I’m going to miss him but if they don’t take him I feel we will hang on to him for too long at the end of his career and people will want him gone. It sucks not getting an asset a from him moving on but I think this is a good thing for the organization.

The young guys have to step up. They will be given a chance here with Gio moving on. I’ll miss him and I’ll be watching what he does with the Kraken, definitely cheering him on!

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

We also got the electric buzz that permeated the entire city during the cup run. I was a grocery clerk at the time and the store was completely dead during every game, 2004 took over the entire city.

Luckily my boss was a huge flames fan, he had a rabbit ear camping TV that got reception for CBC set up in the back room. We would sit and watch the games in black and white sitting on the carts We would load groceries on.

I still can't wait for that to happen again

User name checks out.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

On a positive note it's got be good for Gio's ego in that all the expansion draft news puts him in the top 3 of players available to the Kraken along with Tarasenko and Landeskog! Every story has him anchoring the Kraken defense.

Honestly I think it would be a pretty cool experience at the end of your career to be in Gio's spot and be picked.

[Goriders]

Kraken could have a pretty good defence if the rumours of Oleksiak and Larsson are true.

I’m not 100% convinced Gio is going. But looking at the rest of the players the Flames made available I’m 99% sure.

Other than having to move and potentially uproot family I’d be excited if I were a player heading to Seattle.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Kraken could have a pretty good defence if the rumours of Oleksiak and Larsson are true.

I’m not 100% convinced Gio is going. But looking at the rest of the players the Flames made available I’m 99% sure.

Other than having to move and potentially uproot family I’d be excited if I were a player heading to Seattle.

I think Gio is going I am just not certain he will play for the Kraken. I could see him being retained and flipped

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

And to get nothing in return for either (other than Gio's cap space for next season). Best pairing in the league for a while. In the end, nothing to show for either.

Flames' asset management at it's finest. The young D on the team got some steppin' up to do. Let's hope they are up to the challenge.

So you'd trade Brodie with Hamonic hurt in the mix for a playoff spot?

Giordano wasn't an expiring contract so in a flat cap not sure there would be much market, and "asset management" had them add another defenseman that was in the top handful of defenders in the league defensively making his expansion spot in jeopardy.

Honestly people.

So good asset management not to sign Tanev and protect Giordano?

[1qqaaz]

Honestly, yes, I would have liked it if the Flames had acquired assets for Brodie prior to his departure as a UFA. Even if they were in the mix for a playoff spot. It was nice when Glencross was traded for picks, yet the Flames still made it to the second round.

Same goes for Gio this past year. But I agree, that would have been a difficult trade to make barring cap retention. And then the team would have to protect him to make the retained cap not useless.

I just don't bother complaining about these things because it's so obvious that the Flames would never make moves like these. Most teams wouldn't. It's not worth getting worked up over.

I also didn't like the Tanev or Markstrom signings, because I thought there was better ways to use the cap. The Tanev one is looking pretty solid, but I still hate the Markstrom signing. These guys are both injury prone and they're only going to get older. It would be nice if the priority was longer term extensions for good RFAs like Mangiapane.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So you'd trade Brodie with Hamonic hurt in the mix for a playoff spot?

Yes. Treliving's job is not just to live in the moment, but also have an eye for the future and what the team needs are long-term. If he didn't think they were going to re-sign Brodie, then he should have moved him.

[genetic_phreek]

With Kraken taking Larsson, Oleksiak, Fleury, I have a gut feeling they won't take Giordano.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

With Kraken taking Larsson, Oleksiak, Fleury, I have a gut feeling they won't take Giordano.

I am feeling this way too. Bittersweet. It would be very nice to have more cap room to play with.

[Skyceman]

A crazy thought but I wonder if its possible they decide to go off the board and sign local boy Derek Ryan instead.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes. Treliving's job is not just to live in the moment, but also have an eye for the future and what the team needs are long-term. If he didn't think they were going to re-sign Brodie, then he should have moved him.

Then I guess most GMs with teams on the bubble should be fire.

I think both sides thought he would resign.

Bottom line he almost resigned Brodie anyway, but Brodie jumped when he was after Markstrom, and used his plan B who arguably turned out better anyway.

The asset was still there past the deadline.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Then I guess most GMs with teams on the bubble should be fire.

The man who preaches against hyperbole resorts to hyperbole to defend his boy.

Every situation is different. In the Flames situation Treliving has to be looking at the dearth of assets he has to work with and has to start thinking about the bigger picture. Wasting opportunities to recoup the assets we need to improve the team is what keeps the Flames in the endless cycle of mediocrity.

I think both sides thought he would resign.

I think we'll have to disagree on this. If Treliving thought he was an important cog in the machine he would have prioritized Brodie's signing. He had the window to do so, and he elected not to. Instead there were other signings that took precedence. If both sides believed a deal would be there, Brodie would still be a Flame. I think the writing was on the wall and Brodie knew he was headed to greener pastures. Treliving should have moved him.

I held the same opinion when the name was Mike Cammalleri, so this shouldn't be any surprise. I firmly believe that when you have opportunity to move expiring contracts, and you do not have an extension in the bag, you must move the player and maintain your asset base, especially when you are asset poor.

[Vinny01]

3 core members of this team gone since the bubble.

Even though the price to acquire him would have people saying he is a core piece but Hamonic never earned that distinction.

I do think Sam Bennett was a core member of this team who requested to leave. Brodie left by his own choice when the team who tried to trade for him a year earlier came calling with a richer offer.

Gio gone to Seattle as expected thanks to the stellar play of Chris Tanev who looks to be a core piece on the blueline. Markstrom was also added to that core last offseason.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

3 core members of this team gone since the bubble.

Even though the price to acquire him would have people saying he is a core piece but Hamonic never earned that distinction.

I do think Sam Bennett was a core member of this team who requested to leave. Brodie left by his own choice when the team who tried to trade for him a year earlier came calling with a richer offer.

Gio gone to Seattle as expected thanks to the stellar play of Chris Tanev who looks to be a core piece on the blueline. Markstrom was also added to that core last offseason.

I still think Tanev + Markstrom is superior than what the Flames have lost.

I don't really count Bennett in there, as that was it's own debacle that occurred independently of any free agent signings.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

3 core members of this team gone since the bubble.

Even though the price to acquire him would have people saying he is a core piece but Hamonic never earned that distinction.

I do think Sam Bennett was a core member of this team who requested to leave. Brodie left by his own choice when the team who tried to trade for him a year earlier came calling with a richer offer.

Gio gone to Seattle as expected thanks to the stellar play of Chris Tanev who looks to be a core piece on the blueline. Markstrom was also added to that core last offseason.

Bennett wasn't a core member of this team. In fact, that's why he was traded.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The man who preaches against hyperbole resorts to hyperbole to defend his boy.

Every situation is different. In the Flames situation Treliving has to be looking at the dearth of assets he has to work with and has to start thinking about the bigger picture. Wasting opportunities to recoup the assets we need to improve the team is what keeps the Flames in the endless cycle of mediocrity.



I think we'll have to disagree on this. If Treliving thought he was an important cog in the machine he would have prioritized Brodie's signing. He had the window to do so, and he elected not to. Instead there were other signings that took precedence. If both sides believed a deal would be there, Brodie would still be a Flame. I think the writing was on the wall and Brodie knew he was headed to greener pastures. Treliving should have moved him.

I held the same opinion when the name was Mike Cammalleri, so this shouldn't be any surprise. I firmly believe that when you have opportunity to move expiring contracts, and you do not have an extension in the bag, you must move the player and maintain your asset base, especially when you are asset poor.

Well both sides said they were talking, but that Calgary had to lock down Markstrom first.

That pretty much confirms both sides had some intent.

It happens.

Add in that Calgary had a plan B lined up and his asset management was just fine in the end.

The window added Markstrom and Tanev and Brodie went out. That's a step up in assets, not backwards.