[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[Wood]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Maybe I'm reading into things too much but I wonder if raiding leadership from other teams may mean Gio is tracking out.

Gio on the move?

Maybe at the expansion draft, I'd be pretty shocked to see him moved before then

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Tanev is almost 31 and never stays healthy. I like him but this is a deal that has almost no upside but possibly significant downside.

He just finished playing every game of the past season.

I was surprised by this signing, because there was very little talk of Calgary being interested in him. Makes you wonder whether Markstrom make a pitch for the Flames to sign Tanev based on his experience playing with him in Vancouver.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Sedins weren’t on that team I guess...

On the team, sure. Our best players in that series? Lol, no

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Go to bed man, you’re the only one making yourself look like a clown at this point.

Youre not my supervisor.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tanev was great, but the reason the Canucks didn’t think it was prudent to give him 4 years at $4.5M is the same reason the Flames shouldn’t have either. He’s on a downward trajectory, and has limited upside outside of the first season, maybe two with this contract.

Canucks offered four at 2 year. This contract is not about years 3 and 4

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Wood

Tanev and Brodie got the same term, they are the same age, and I don't think you're right about Tanevs supposed poor trajectory

Who's to say discussions haven't been had with teams like Arizona and Tampa? Sometimes there just isn't a fit

You've suggested both Murray and Ceci as budget options, and I'd argue that neither are even close to Tanev in any aspect of the game. Murray is significantly worse defensively, offers no more offensively, makes more than Tanev, is just as injury prone and cost an asset for NJ to acquire him

I disagree that Tanev is on a downward trajectory. He just had one of his best regular seasons of his career, he played every single regular season and playoff game injury free, and he was extremely valuable in the playoffs

I've noticed you're really down on this deal, I just don't think it's going to be nearly as bad as you think. Only time will tell I guess

There is nothing that shows this being the best season of Tanev’s career, it was the first time in his career that he was actually below average by shot suppression and defensive metrics.

Contracts like this can really hurt a team since they limit you ability to add actual impact players in their prime.

Look at the Brouwer, Neal, Stone, etc contracts that have prevented us from being able to truly add an impact piece to this core. I’d be shocked if we aren’t talking about this contact in the same way we talk about those deals in 18 months.

And that’s nothing against Tanev who’s had a great career, it’s just unclear if he’s still that guy and he’s not going to get better. They didn’t need to pay a premium for a guy like this.

Tampa was able to add grit and character on the backend in guys like Bogosian, Schenn, and Coburn for under $2M AAV each last year...you don’t need to pay 4 x $4.5M for that.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Tanev also brings leadership, he was an Alternate Captain in Vancouver.

That's like being an assistant manager at the forest lawn McDonald's.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Maybe I'm reading into things too much but I wonder if raiding leadership from other teams may mean Gio is tracking out.

Gio on the move?

Maybe it just means that management thinks the team has shown that it needs more leadership.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That's like being an assistant manager at the forest lawn McDonald's.

Hardened and battle tested? Im confused by your reference.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Based on advanced metrics his ability to suppress shots and limit chances was good to elite from 2011-2018.

It’s declined each of the last two seasons though, and last year he was below average by those metrics.

The worry is the that for a guy with his injury history, at at his age, he won’t be able to turn around the regression.

He’s missed a lot of time, no question.

I do think there’s some value to be gained to have a guy in the room who’s basically held together with scotch tape so as to show the younger players the price this league is going to ask of them. And to keep pushing through to come back.

For this role, it just doesn’t bother me that much.

It’s 5.5% of the cap, compared to 4.7% for Hamonic. I view them as essentially the same player, and the premium for Tanev is worth it to conserve the draft capital.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hardened and battle tested? Im confused by your reference.

by french fry grease.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That's like being an assistant manager at the forest lawn McDonald's.

You don’t think that job might give you some useful life experience?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Canucks offered four at 2 year. This contract is not about years 3 and 4

It should be though, building a team that is consistently competitive is the best way to win, not by trying to go “all in” for two seasons.

Tkachuk and Gaudreau both need new contracts in two years. Valimaki will need a new deal. They will need to replace Giordano.

Having $4.5M in Tanev could prevent them from keeping somebody, or from adding an actual high end core piece in that time.

This team needs to shed the habit of paying too much for non-impact pieces like the Brouwer and Stones of the world. Cap space is an asset and this team needs to stop acting like they need to spend to the cap ASAP once space is available.

It’s what Tampa has done a great job of. They didn’t go give overpayments to mid-tier aging UFAs.

They gave money to true top end pieces, or to guys they drafted and developed that were in their prime. Then they filled it out with low cost “character” guys like Maroon, Bogosian, etc

Paying a premium for “character” guys like Stone, Brouwer, Hamonic, and now Tanev is why this team stagnated. Too much cap or assets used for guys that aren’t impact players.

I really do hope that Tanev makes me eat my words but I’m not optimistic it’s going to happen. People told me that Hamonic would do the same thing and be never lived up to that hype either.

If this was the Chris Tanev of 3-4 years ago I’d be ecstatic, but I don’t think he’s that guy anymore and might not be above replacement level for much longer.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

Chris Tanev was a great defencemen for years and I think can still contribute in the right situation. But this signing is a mistake. It's too much money and too much term for a guy trending the wrong way and the Flames are going to regret it.

This describes Tre on FA day perfectly
Hope this one works out better. I'm not so sure it will

[Wood]

It's funny seeing reactions to this around the league compared to CP

It seems almost unanimous that this is a great addition for the Flames. Canucks fans are upset that Benning let him go. Penguins fans are wondering why Rutherford couldn't offer a similar deal to get the brothers together. Everywhere else I look fans around the league like this deal

And the there's this thread

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That's like being an assistant manager at the forest lawn McDonald's.

I remember eating McDonald's pizza from this exact location. Taco Bell still just down the road?

[memphusk]

Mind my ignorance, but Tanev can be left unprotected for the Seattle draft?

[flames_fan_down_under]

Solid defensive d-man who can play a ton of minutes and plays his ass off? Sounds like a good addition to me.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Mind my ignorance, but Tanev can be left unprotected for the Seattle draft?

Yes, I believe so. He has an NTC, not an NMC, so he can be unprotected.

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

the problem is, Ryan is on a very good contract that ends in one year and he is a good player by basically every regard

in my opinion, Tanev is none of those things. IMO we're talking about a good third-line centre vs. a mediocre second-pairing defenseman with substantial injury issues

but I will wait until I see him on the ice

Tanev is a better and more valuable player than Ryan, and it isn't close

[Enoch Root]

I have always really liked Tanev - really solid defenseman and a heart and soul guy. The Canucks are REALLY going to miss him. I guarantee, Hughes will struggle defensively this year.

I wanted to keep Brodie, but since we didn't, this is a fantastic replacement - MUCH better (and likely much cheaper) than Barrie.

I don't mind the price - I would have thought that he would go cheaper than Brodie, but I think it's a case of Brodie's contract being low, not Tanev being expensive.

Him and Gio together are going to be a great shut-down pair.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wood

It's funny seeing reactions to this around the league compared to CP

It seems almost unanimous that this is a great addition for the Flames. Canucks fans are upset that Benning let him go. Penguins fans are wondering why Rutherford couldn't offer a similar deal to get the brothers together. Everywhere else I look fans around the league like this deal

And the there's this thread

And people are absolutely ripping the Leafs on twitter for giving Brodie 5M and a NMC

Then there's CP that act like the Flames let Bobby Orr go over 500k