But while the player values look right, I'm skeptical Carolina would make that deal. They've already been burned in a deal with the Flames for a player who wanted to choose his own city. And the owner seems to be very conservative with contracts, and might balk at signing off on Gaudreau's next contract even if he did want to stay in Raleigh. They let Skinner walk rather than pay him a big contract deep into his 30s.
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Don't count Puljukarvi out yet, he has a brain and is doing quite well in Finalnd. Don't knock him because he was taken by the Oilers, love him for hating them so much he refuses to play for them. Thats a smart boy right there.
I don't think anybody was counting out Puljukarvi, tbf.
But Puljujarvi is a smart boy indeed. More than we ever gave his pizza-stuffing face credit for.
I think a Domi for Hanifin deal definitely makes some sense especially if the Flames can make a deal for Johnny that includes a Dman.
Flames sign Hall 7 years 8.5M
Flames trade Gaudreau and Jankowski for 8th overall, Middlestat, Montour
Flames trade Hanifin and Bennett for Domi+ 2 2nds
Sign Montour to a 6 year 4.75M per deal
Sign Domi to a 6 year 5.75M per deal
Draft one of Raymond, Rossi, Perfetti, Drysdale, Holtz, Sanderson
Also draft roughly 16th, and 3x in the second round adding plenty of assets and prospects to the organization to refill the pipeline (and deadline trade chips)
Also, McKenzie list is as close to gospel as you're ever going to get, at least in the top 20. I don't think it'll be close for another reporter when Bob finally retires full time.
People keep making Gaudreau to Buffalo trades for young prospects and picks. It doesn't work cap wise as the Sabres have about 850,000 in cap space with their #1 goalie to sign. They would have to swing some other deals to make room.
..produces top 6 offensive numbers and just turned 25. Is also an RFA that can be locked up long term to fit into the core.
Lots to like IMO, but that's what I was talking about with how peoples opinions of players varies widely, and how trade proposals are a no win situation really. I've been waiting for someone to come in and claim how Hanifin is a #1 Dman of the future and we'd be dumb to trade him for a tiny little crappy player like Domi haha. Who knows, they may be right.
People keep making Gaudreau to Buffalo trades for young prospects and picks. It doesn't work cap wise as the Sabres have about 850,000 in cap space with their #1 goalie to sign. They would have to swing some other deals to make room.
By $850k you must be referring to this season because they have nearly $35M going into next season.
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..produces top 6 offensive numbers and just turned 25. Is also an RFA that can be locked up long term to fit into the core.
Lots to like IMO, but that's what I was talking about with how peoples opinions of players varies widely, and how trade proposals are a no win situation really. I've been waiting for someone to come in and claim how Hanifin is a #1 Dman of the future and we'd be dumb to trade him for a tiny little crappy player like Domi haha. Who knows, they may be right.
My biggest concern with Hanifin is he was stapled today Hamonic for 2 years who by all accounts was a bad partner for most of the players he played with in his 3 years as a Flame.
Going to the Habs and playing with Weber or Petry could help Noah unlock his potential.
When it comes to Domi Treliving and Maloney would know exactly who they would be acquiring considering they drafted him.
The thing with Buffalo is they are not a great trade match with the Flames when it comes to forwards. They need a good C to play behind Eichel and have depth on LW. Granted Gaudreau would be there best LW if they got him, but it still wouldn't solve the 2C problem.
They only way they make a good trade partner is if they are looking to move Eichel because he's demanded his way out of there, or if the Flames come up short in the play in series and decide to tear up the core and take a serious step back and trade Monahan and possibly others.
They also have lots of RHD but little quality of LHD, where as the Flames have more quality LHD and are lacking for RHD.
If the Flames decided to do a major shake up, they could probably net a massive package of futures from Buffalo for Monahan and Hanifin.
Cozens, Jokiharju and 8th overall would be a strong return.
Buffalo then has:
Skinner - Eichel - Reinhart
Oloffson - Monahan - Johansson
as a top 6, and:
Dahlin - Risto
Hanifin - Montour
McCabe - Miller
as their D core.
Flames would then probably move Lindholm to full time C and hope Cozens comes ripping into the NHL the way Barzal and Point did over the next couple seasons.
More realistically though, the Flames should really be trying to get Montour from them to add to their current roster.
Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Montour
Valimaki -
That's a really solid D core IMO.
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The thing with Buffalo is they are not a great trade match with the Flames when it comes to forwards. They need a good C to play behind Eichel and have depth on LW. Granted Gaudreau would be there best LW if they got him, but it still wouldn't solve the 2C problem.
They only way they make a good trade partner is if they are looking to move Eichel because he's demanded his way out of there, or if the Flames come up short in the play in series and decide to tear up the core and take a serious step back and trade Monahan and possibly others.
They also have lots of RHD but little quality of LHD, where as the Flames have more quality LHD and are lacking for RHD.
If the Flames decided to do a major shake up, they could probably net a massive package of futures from Buffalo for Monahan and Hanifin.
Cozens, Jokiharju and 8th overall would be a strong return.
Buffalo then has:
Skinner - Eichel - Reinhart
Oloffson - Monahan - Johansson
as a top 6, and:
Dahlin - Risto
Hanifin - Montour
McCabe - Miller
as their D core.
Flames would then probably move Lindholm to full time C and hope Cozens comes ripping into the NHL the way Barzal and Point did over the next couple seasons.
More realistically though, the Flames should really be trying to get Montour from them to add to their current roster.
Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Montour
Valimaki -
That's a really solid D core IMO.
Cozens, 8 and Jokinarju is not a strong return for Monahan and Hanifin. I think that trade makes Calgary significantly worse in short term which I don’t think is the game plan.
If they are flipping Gaudreau for Point then signing Hall we have a different story.
In my opinion this team is in no position to trade Monahan unless he is part of a package for a clear immediate upgrade. The only reason Gaudreau can be moved is because there is a good chance to sign Hall and Tkachuk is on the team so we would have 3 top line LW.
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Cozens, 8 and Jokinarju is not a strong return for Monahan and Hanifin. I think that trade makes Calgary significantly worse in short term which I don’t think is the game plan.
If they are flipping Gaudreau for Point then signing Hall we have a different story.
In my opinion this team is in no position to trade Monahan unless he is part of a package for a clear immediate upgrade. The only reason Gaudreau can be moved is because there is a good chance to sign Hall and Tkachuk is on the team so we would have 3 top line LW.
I agree that the Flames are unlikely to trade Monahan as it weakens the team short term, my point was that if the Flames lay an egg in the playoffs again, maybe the front office decides the core is rotten and they need to do a major retool. In the unlikely scenario they do that, then Monahan to Buffalo makes sense.
I disagree that the return I suggested isn't a strong one.
That's a 7th overall from last year who is a very high end C prospect
That's the 8th overall from the upcoming draft
That's a late 1st round pick from 2017 who as a RHD and still just 21 has already played over 100 NHL games and looked good playing 17-18 minutes per night.
Maybe I'm out to lunch, but I figure that's a stellar return. Yes, it weakens the roster immediately, but it's a futures package so that's not a surprise. Maybe you can get the Sabres to add another piece like Mittelstadt.
