[Trade] Hall (50% ret), Speers to ARI for 1st, cond 3rd, Merkley, Schnarr, Bahl

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why does every thread have to turn into a trade Gaudreau thread?

It’s honestly insulting to what Gaudreau represents for this hockey club over the past 6 years; a true glimmer of hope out of the mid depths of a draft all the way to superstar status with a unique swagger and style to go along with it. Time and again through our struggles as a team it always seems he’s the first to truly become a trade target amongst fans which boggles my mind... at his contract we should be trying to win now with him which is why it’s been so disappointing to not only miss out on the Stone and Hall acquisitions but to rivals to boot. We would be insane to trade Gaudreau right now absolutely insane and I don’t think with the team we have that some sort of panic button needs to be hit.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

It’s honestly insulting to what Gaudreau represents for this hockey club over the past 6 years; a true glimmer of hope out of the mid depths of a draft all the way to superstar status with a unique swagger and style to go along with it. Time and again through our struggles as a team it always seems he’s the first to truly become a trade target amongst fans which boggles my mind... at his contract we should be trying to win now with him which is why it’s been so disappointing to not only miss out on the Stone and Hall acquisitions but to rivals to boot. We would be insane to trade Gaudreau right now absolutely insane and I don’t think with the team we have that some sort of panic button needs to be hit.

Thank you! Couldn’t agree more!!!!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Flames first off season trade should be Backlund. Have to get something for him before its to late. If and its a big If , flames decide to go the route of bringing in hall and trading Johnny, they have to get a center back in the trade. Don't care if the flames would have to add a 1st with Johnny , to get it done. Trading Johnny for another winger is pointless.

Maybe he's declining. Or maybe he is just having an off-year. And he's only 30, so I doubt very much that he has forgotten how to hockey.

Trading players when they have an off-year is a great way to minimize the value of your assets. Sometimes patience is required.

[Heavy Jack]

This exactly. I mean we have to realize these guys have now had 4 head coaches and 3 different staffs over the past 6 years which can be a blame on either side, players and management but still it’s hard to find consistency. Hopefully Wardo is the right step in the coaching direction finally. Right now is the worst time to consider trading core contracts, never sell low or when it appears your desperate.

[Dajazz]

There is no way you replace Gaudreau’s production for 6.75 million per year. He’s a 9 million dollar player in today’s contract climate. Why do you trade someone on a sweetheart deal unless you’re going full scorched earth rebuild?

You’re not getting value back, unless, you’re throwing in the towel and ask for picks and prospects. And they’re not helping this core who’s build to win in the short-mid term.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe he's declining. Or maybe he is just having an off-year. And he's only 30, so I doubt very much that he has forgotten how to hockey.

Trading players when they have an off-year is a great way to minimize the value of your assets. Sometimes patience is required.

And if he doesn't rebound that contract will be immovable.

it's up to Flames management to decide if he's regressing or simply having an off year.

Keeping players who have had an off year in hopes that they rebound, and finding out it wasn't an off year, is a great way to get stuck with an immovable contract.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And if he doesn't rebound that contract will be immovable.

it's up to Flames management to decide if he's regressing or simply having an off year.

Keeping players who have had an off year in hopes that they rebound, and finding out it wasn't an off year, is a great way to get stuck with an immovable contract.

Thats a lot of Hyperbole. There are two years left on Gaudreau's deal after this one. This isn't Lucic or Neal where there a 4 years left on players whose productivity has eroded to a point where you are looking at buying out the deals before they expire.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Thats a lot of Hyperbole. There are two years left on Gaudreau's deal after this one. This isn't Lucic or Neal where there a 4 years left on players whose productivity has eroded to a point where you are looking at buying out the deals before they expire.

I think they're talking about Backlund.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Ped

I think they're talking about Backlund.

That would make more sense. With the way the game is trending any player over 30 with term on their deal who is not a top 20 player carries a fair bit of risk.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

That would make more sense. With the way the game is trending any player over 30 with term on their deal who is not a top 20 player carries a fair bit of risk.

If you go back and read the posts, they are talking about Backlund.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And if he doesn't rebound that contract will be immovable.

it's up to Flames management to decide if he's regressing or simply having an off year.

Keeping players who have had an off year in hopes that they rebound, and finding out it wasn't an off year, is a great way to get stuck with an immovable contract.

Sure. But for a 30 year old, who has been as consistent as Backlund has, and who still has his speed, an off year is far more likely here than a player falling off the table.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sure. But for a 30 year old, who has been as consistent as Backlund has, and who still has his speed, an off year is far more likely here than a player falling off the table.

You may be right, but it’s a huge red flag.

But your’s and my opinion matter little, as we aren’t the experts. It’s up to the Flames to make that decision as to whether or not Backlund is declining.


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[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You may be right, but it’s a huge red flag.

But your’s and my opinion matter little, as we aren’t the experts. It’s up to the Flames to make that decision as to whether or not Backlund is declining.


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Backlund isn't scoring goals but hes making opportunities and playing a very solid two way game as always.

He has has 6 points in his last 10 games.

5 points at even strength which puts him ahead of Lindholm, Tkachuk and Mangiapaine.

Gaudreau has 6. Monahan leads with 8.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You may be right, but it’s a huge red flag.

But your’s and my opinion matter little, as we aren’t the experts. It’s up to the Flames to make that decision as to whether or not Backlund is declining.


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It may not really matter. Veterans are hard to trade it seems. You’d be getting back similar age and contract no matter what I’d imagine.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, if he wasn't getting chances, I would be a lot more worried that he might be losing it. But he's doing everything but scoring.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And if he doesn't rebound that contract will be immovable.

it's up to Flames management to decide if he's regressing or simply having an off year.

Keeping players who have had an off year in hopes that they rebound, and finding out it wasn't an off year, is a great way to get stuck with an immovable contract.

He could still be a very useful player for years. Even if he falls down the lineup a line at some point, centre depth is so key for contending.

And let’s not overlook his on ice and off ice leadership. This guy is an example for our young players, a solid family man. Trade away too many veterans and let your kids run the show and you get EDM. We’re always gonna want a nice core of veteran leaders who are good people to show the way, inspire and lead our younger players. You need that to have a winning culture imo.

Set the paranoia about his contract aside my friend. Embrace Backlund, a great pro, good person, example for our young players. And he’s still a decent 2nd line centre or elite 3rd line centre. That’s a role worth paying his salary for.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, at the end of his contract he won't re-sign, you trade him for the best package available.

At the end of his contract, he'll be worth nothing.

You need to move him, at the latest, at the trade deadline of his last year, which would be punting that season.

Well that's what I mean, I thought it would be obvious. If he doesn't sign by the deadline in the last year of his contract you trade him.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Backlund has a full NTC until summer 2021, at which point he submits a 10 team trade list (aka 22 team no-trade list at that point).

Obviously he could waive it, but they had their first child in May...so probably about a 99% chance he's not going to waive it right now.

Feel free to keep discussing it, but Backlund's not getting traded now, and unlikely ever (unless he eventually wants to go...hard to make a good deal with only 10 potential partners).

Seattle is a mildly interesting possibility, but it really boils down to what else we can't protect. Of course, everyone will be talking themselves into the idea that what Seattle really needs is their quality veteran player.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

It’s honestly insulting to what Gaudreau represents for this hockey club over the past 6 years; a true glimmer of hope out of the mid depths of a draft all the way to superstar status with a unique swagger and style to go along with it. Time and again through our struggles as a team it always seems he’s the first to truly become a trade target amongst fans which boggles my mind... at his contract we should be trying to win now with him which is why it’s been so disappointing to not only miss out on the Stone and Hall acquisitions but to rivals to boot. We would be insane to trade Gaudreau right now absolutely insane and I don’t think with the team we have that some sort of panic button needs to be hit.

Trading Gaudreau would be far from absolutely insane. This summer would be the ideal time to trade him. I honestly think the chances of him leaving are pretty good. If you don't trade him this summer the return is going to be peanuts. Trading him would be putting the organization first and continuing to try and build a winner. If you think the Flames can win it all in the next two years after this then yes it makes sense to keep him. I'm kind of on the fence of whether or not I actually see this team being that type of elite level over the next 3 years. Id lean more towards no. Its hard to predict what will happen. Losing him for nothing really sets the team back though. In that situation the team seems more like a bubble team without high draft picks. To me that is the absolute worst spot to be for a franchise. Even if he does sign here again he's gonna want 10 million which again limits the team moving forward. It a tough call but to me its one you have to really consider.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Trading Gaudreau would be far from absolutely insane. This summer would be the ideal time to trade him. I honestly think the chances of him leaving are pretty good. If you don't trade him this summer the return is going to be peanuts. Trading him would be putting the organization first and continuing to try and build a winner. If you think the Flames can win it all in the next two years after this then yes it makes sense to keep him. I'm kind of on the fence of whether or not I actually see this team being that type of elite level over the next 3 years. Id lean more towards no. Its hard to predict what will happen. Losing him for nothing really sets the team back though. In that situation the team seems more like a bubble team without high draft picks. To me that is the absolute worst spot to be for a franchise. Even if he does sign here again he's gonna want 10 million which again limits the team moving forward. It a tough call but to me its one you have to really consider.

Putting the team first is keeping your elite player on a sweetheart deal. I have seen more to indicate he would rather stay here than leave. If he wants $10M on an 8 year deal that is fair market value for a player of his skill and numbers, you sign him every day. Gaudreau puts butts in the seats, he sells a ton of merchandise too, and we are lucky to have him. If BT gets the message he wants to test FA in his last year then you can move him but if you can get a deal done to keep him here you get it done.