2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

With games in hand, all of Vancouver, LA, and Nashville can easily leap frog Calgary, resulting in the Flames sitting 2 spots out of a WC spot.

The Flames simply can't afford to buy and chances are they're in a position to sell. Take one more off-season and look at expansion victims to retool the roster and come back with another coach next year.

they are all going to win all those games? easily?

its going to be a fight for the last spots...Flames are also tied with the Blues believe it or not

[dino7c]

I hate when people compare what a coach has done with an entirely different roster...who the #### knows how Boudreau would have done in Calgary. His record with the Wild is no real indication

[Flash Walken]

Brodie has been awful this year in any kind of configuration you can come up with.

He's just having a bad season, this happens sometimes and there's basically nothing you can do about it but wait it out.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

With games in hand, all of Vancouver, LA, and Nashville can easily leap frog Calgary, resulting in the Flames sitting 2 spots out of a WC spot.

The Flames simply can't afford to buy and chances are they're in a position to sell. Take one more off-season and look at expansion victims to retool the roster and come back with another coach next year.

I actually quite like Gulutzan as a coach... Wasn't sold on him at first, but I really like how the flames have been playing. If we hadn't had the slow start we'd be sitting in a much better position right now and likely wouldn't be doubting the coach.

What did we honestly expect after how we looked last year? I predicted either barely making or missing the playoffs. looks to be how it's going right now which is a pretty good improvement over last year... trending in the right direction anyways. Next year should be when we can truly judge the coach.

[TheScorpion]

I made a ridiculous post in the PGT last night about acquiring Kevin Hayes and Leo Komarov for laughably low returns. Just wanted to know what everyone else thinks about acquiring either of these two guys, and what it would take.

[N-E-B]

Kevin Hayes, IMO, is highly overrated and would cost too much. No thanks.

[AC]

Hayes is also a pricey trade now after a big start to the season.

14 goals + 22 assists in 79 games last year
13 + 22 in 46 games this year.

Buying high, selling low is not a great strategy.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Brodie has been awful this year in any kind of configuration you can come up with.

He's just having a bad season, this happens sometimes and there's basically nothing you can do about it but wait it out.

My worry with Brodie is that I'm not sure if it's an off year. In my opinion, he's been the "same" as he's always been in his own end. Prone to tones of very costly errors that often end up in our net.

What I think is different this year, is under GGs system, he's not as greenlit, or is struggling to get as greenlit in teh offensive zone. So we aren't seeing the great offensive plays and production from him as we did previously, which made us forget about his defensive short comings. I worry that Brodie maybe simply isn't as good as we thought prior.

All that said, I still think he's a top 4 guy on a great contract, just maybe not the budding Norris candidate we thought he might be. I still think given the contract, what we need is to find him a better partner and he might start to play and contribute a little more.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hate when people compare what a coach has done with an entirely different roster...who the #### knows how Boudreau would have done in Calgary. His record with the Wild is no real indication

How about his record with the Capitals and Ducks if you don't think there's evidence to support that he would have the Flames in a better situation? You know the Capitals were a mess when he took over (similar to the Flames in that they had young talent on the rise) and it's pretty hard to dispute that he's a winner as he's 3d overall in all-time winning percentage. I'm not saying Gulutzan is a terrible coach but let's not pretend that he's remotely close to being at the same level as Boudreau. I don't think it's a stretch at all to believe the Flames would be higher in the standings today if he was the head coach just as most people would believe the Jacksonville Jaguars probably would have won more games this season if Bill Belichick was their head coach. Top coaches make a difference.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

My worry with Brodie is that I'm not sure if it's an off year. In my opinion, he's been the "same" as he's always been in his own end. Prone to tones of very costly errors that often end up in our net.

What I think is different this year, is under GGs system, he's not as greenlit, or is struggling to get as greenlit in teh offensive zone. So we aren't seeing the great offensive plays and production from him as we did previously, which made us forget about his defensive short comings. I worry that Brodie maybe simply isn't as good as we thought prior.

All that said, I still think he's a top 4 guy on a great contract, just maybe not the budding Norris candidate we thought he might be. I still think given the contract, what we need is to find him a better partner and he might start to play and contribute a little more.

Brodie was not a defensive liability last season. The defensive end was one of his biggest strengths... he was often a plus player when the rest of the team was not. His numbers back it up... even though analytics can't prove everything, his numbers were on par with Pieterangelo IIRC.

[t0rrent98]

Not sure if its been posted on here as I don't feel like scrolling a few pages back but its rumored that Claude Julien will be fired this weekend as per twitter from Boston Bruins insider Jimmy Murphy.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Not sure if its been posted on here as I don't feel like scrolling a few pages back but its rumored that Claude Julien will be fired this weekend as per twitter from Boston Bruins insider Jimmy Murphy.

If that's the case the Flames should immediately fire GG and hire Julien. This team needs a legitimate NHL coach.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Brodie was not a defensive liability last season. The defensive end was one of his biggest strengths... he was often a plus player when the rest of the team was not. His numbers back it up... even though analytics can't prove everything, his numbers were on par with Pieterangelo IIRC.

From my viewing / observation of the game (which obviously means this is nothing more than an opinion) I think he has always made tones of terrible errors and plays. Collectively his stats may not back that up, but that to me was because he was playing with Gio who was covering up a lot of his issues.

The lack of a Norris candidate partner and less offensive production is the result of what we are seeing this year in my opinion. Part of why I think he'll be better if we can get him a true top 4 partner. Again, I really hope your assessment is right and mine is wrong, would love for Brodie to be a Norris candidate having an off year.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

From my viewing / observation of the game (which obviously means this is nothing more than an opinion) I think he has always made tones of terrible errors and plays. Collectively his stats may not back that up, but that to me was because he was playing with Gio who was covering up a lot of his issues.

The lack of a Norris candidate partner and less offensive production is the result of what we are seeing this year in my opinion. Part of why I think he'll be better if we can get him a true top 4 partner. Again, I really hope your assessment is right and mine is wrong, would love for Brodie to be a Norris candidate having an off year.

Its no coincidence that Hamilton paired with Gio suddenly looks amazing.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think it's a stretch at all to believe the Flames would be higher in the standings today if he was the head coach

It's worrisome that I can't say the same.

The Flames as a team have lacked urgency for the last decade. I don't know what it is, but they've become the Tin Man of the NHL. It can't just be the coach.

[Geeoff]

I don't think Komarov is available. From what I understand, the Leafs intend to keep him as a mentor to the kids on the team.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Its no coincidence that Hamilton paired with Gio suddenly looks amazing.

There's not much of a correlation with those 2 allegations IMO.

Outside of that awful opening stretch and a few bad games/shifts here and there, Hamilton's been our best defenceman. Probably the 2nd most consistent defenceman after Engelland too.

Gio is definitely able to elevate Dougie's game, but the vice versa is also true and I would say Hamilton elevates Giordano more - especially considering how good he is at holding the offensive blue line.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

It's worrisome that I can't say the same.

The Flames as a team have lacked urgency for the last decade. I don't know what it is, but they've become the Tin Man of the NHL. It can't just be the coach.

I get what you're saying but look at all the coaches this team has had since 2007. Playfair, Keenan, other Sutter, Hartley.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I get what you're saying but look at all the coaches this team has had since 2007. Playfair, Keenan, other Sutter, Hartley.

Flames have a history of bombing on their coach hires since the 80's. Take away Darryl Sutter and it's a graveyard of coaches, almost all never a NHL head coach again after Calgary. When you continually hire head coaches that the league considers unhirable after their tenure that's a clear sign you are doing things wrong. I won't be surprised if this is Gulutzan's last gig as head coach because he was a forgotten man prior to Treliving interviewing him and if history is any indication things probably won't end well for him here.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I get what you're saying but look at all the coaches this team has had since 2007. Playfair, Keenan, other Sutter, Hartley.

They've had every type of coach other than a "prestige" coach. I don't think it bodes well when your team can only have a modicum of success with 1% of the coaches available. Plus, this team has looked lifeless for a decade... was *every* coach we've hired been uniformly outcoached by all of his peers?

Arguably the exception was when they made the playoffs under Hartley. Few of us had a problem with the effort. We've learned that team was mostly effort / some luck / little structure, and that Hartley's methods to get that effort took a toll. Fine, you get rid of Hartley, treat the players as adults and ask them to deliver the effort minus the beatings. Now they have structure (from my view), but have relaxed on the effort once again.

I'm not discounting the impact that an elite coach may have. I'm just worried that we'll hire one and nothing will change.