[GDT] Young Stars Classic: Flames vs Jets

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

As specific to the play with the elbow? Sure.

But as a whole, that is exactly the way we need him to play.

Context is always important, and taking the exuberance of his trying to make a first impression and extrapolating it to concerns about him being a cheapshot artist throughout his career is beyond weak.

Meh. Not worth addressing, as you're not reading anything I post anyways.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I'm sorry, but I don't see the point in trying to remain neutral and unbiased when cheering on team sports. Is it to maintain some sort of intellectual superiority? If that's what makes you happy go for it, but I like to cheer for my team's players and boo the other teams'. As a fan I don't have to be neutral about it.

Of course, being a fan(atic) is irrational.

But there is a line somewhere. That line might not be cheapshots in a scrum behind a ref. That line might not be crosschecking someone in the back of their head while they're lying facedown on the ice. That line might not be leaping blindside elbows to the heads of players without the puck. But the line is there somewhere. It's there for you, Jiri, Jets whatever his name is.

Maybe Keith and Perry don't cross that line. Maybe you might draw it at Cooke and hair-pulling Burrows then. For me, Tkachuk crossed my line of fanatic irrationality, and I hope it's not a regular part of his game.

[Street Pharmacist]

Watching the replay of the game, I did not realize that 3 of the Flames 4 goals were scored by Johnny Onthespot. Steinberg's new favourite I guess

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by sun

Of course, being a fan(atic) is irrational.

But there is a line somewhere. That line might not be cheapshots in a scrum behind a ref. That line might not be crosschecking someone in the back of their head while they're lying facedown on the ice. That line might not be leaping blindside elbows to the heads of players without the puck. But the line is there somewhere. It's there for you, Jiri, Jets whatever his name is.

Why are you arguing with me? Keep me out of this nonsense.
My only point is that this a big hub-bub for a prospects game.

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why are you arguing with me? Keep me out of this nonsense.
My only point is that this a big hub-bub for a prospects game.

Because you patronizingly said:

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Just like every other forum.
Fans tend to favor their team.
Stunning.

I don't think this is a big hub-bub at all. I made an observation, it was called a load of crap, I defended it.

A flying elbow to the head is relevant whether it happens in exhibition, in the SCF, or at Bingo's minor hockey team. I don't think it's not worth discussing just because it happened in exhibition.

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah but that's a different point. At no point have I stated if I thought the player was dirty or not.
And yes I think calling out the board for having a slanted opinion as fans or being homers, is a bit silly.
And I think getting so amped up about a prospect game is also silly.
We don't yet know if he is a consistently dirty player (like a Burrows, Cooke, etc) or a guy that just crossed the line in an isolated incident. So i'm not going to judge him on a sample size of 1.
But I think it is well established that I don't like dirty plays, or even fighting. I don't like shots to the head. And I don't like players that consistently do that. But I don't yet know if that's what this guy is so any judgement seems very early.
My view.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

No, he didn't.

He's 6'2, 205lbs.

In what world is that small?

Next to ~6'7" behemoths, maybe a little.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Geez, everyone wants to fight about everything these days. I don't know what bug is up the collective butt of CP, but I wish it would find it's way back out again.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Geez, everyone wants to fight about everything these days. I don't know what bug is up the collective butt of CP, but I wish it would find it's way back out again.

You will need to wait 6 to 8 weeks. Hockey season might take some of it away.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Pizza

you can't be serious...

this was all posted earlier in this thread when Tkachuk elbowed Lemieux





















that's not from "one of Lemieux's first shifts".
nice try, Lemieux initiating something in his first shifts never happened in this game.

Please stop making stuff up to support your arguments

First, I didn't read the early part of the thread as I was busy watching the game. I was referring to the post game discussion, especially the last few pages. I just saw you quote one person and seemingly painted everyone who liked his overall vigour with that one person's opinion.

Second, what are you talking about with regard to his first shift / Lemieux initiating? You asked and I told you someone mentioned they have a history together. As in Lemieux didn't do anything immediately preceding it. And it was very early in the game. I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with any of that.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by sun

I don't think this is a big hub-bub at all. I made an observation, it was called a load of crap, I defended it.

A flying elbow to the head is relevant whether it happens in exhibition, in the SCF, or at Bingo's minor hockey team. I don't think it's not worth discussing just because it happened in exhibition.

You need to look at what you said.

Originally Posted by sun

Not a fan of the dirty play by Tkachuk at all. Flying elbow to the head of a player without the puck and then crosschecking him in the head while he's down (in an exhibition game) has people singing his praises? Popped Lemieux pretty good with a cheapshot hiding behind the linesman in the scrum at the end too.

He wanted to make a statement? The statement he made to me was that he is easily rattled and will retaliate idiotically when chirped, to the detriment of his team. Is he saying "say my name" repeatedly to Lemieux in the box in the 3rd? First time watching him play - bad first impression, in my books.

You're confusing easily-rattled with looking at an 18 year old on the biggest stage of his life trying to impress, and cautioning that may indicative of his play moving forward.

I think a little over exuberance in his first game with Flames logo can be excused without being a major concern. Especially considering that aggressiveness is going to be a huge component of what makes him successful moving forward.

The fact you scoffed at the idea you're missing any sense of the context here is telling.

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That was my response to someone saying he was "making a statement" and saying if he was making one, it was a poor one to make.

Your over-emphasis on context is telling.

[Enoch Root]

If he indeed had a prior history with Lemieux, then kudos to him for exacting his revenge in a meaningless game that didn't hurt his team.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

First, I didn't read the game thread as I was busy watching the game. I was referring to the post game discussion, especially the last few pages.

Second, what are you talking about with regard to his first shift / Lemieux initiating? You asked and I told you someone mentioned they have a history together. As in Lemieux didn't do anything immediately preceding it. And it was very early in the game. I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with any of that.

First, you weren't referring to the post game discussion as you specifically didnt say it. If you're going to tell me it isnt the case where people arent applauding the elbow, have a look around first. Game thread comments and the most obvious, the post i was quoting, which you clearly didn't read.

Second, i thought you were inferring Lemieux instigated something in this game. My bad, but it's just strange you would quote my post twice


Regardless of what happened in previous games from another league, the elbow was bush league and has no place in the game

[GoJetsGo]

There seemed to me to be a lot of over-dramatic grandstanding about something an 18 year old kid did in his first game trying to make an impression. That is what 18 year olds do in all facets of life.

As has been mentioned over and over, I'll take and forgive the over-exuberance if it means seeing a nasty, hard-nosed top level skill player who's going to agitate any day.

I hope we see more of that overall game sans the cheap-shot tonight and moving forward.