[Rumour] Travis Hamonic requests trade. Western Canada preferred destination

[Matty81]

Hamonic could be the next Bouwmeester. It's a gamble any time you bring a new player in to a new system. Hamilton is way better suited to the Flames active D strategy than Hamonic and he's still got way more development left whereas Hamonic is 3 years further down the road.

Even with the struggles to start the year clouding it a bit, the broad consensus across the league seems to be that Hamilton has a higher ceiling than Hamonic and higher value - also three years younger. I don't think the 1.2 million cap difference anywhere near evens out the value.

NYI would have to chip in one of their 4 or 5 blue chip prospects (with a mid range asset coming back from the flames) or else why would the Flames even bother? Walk away or make it worth our while.

Hamonic and Strome/Dal Colle/Pulock/Barzal packaged and you start talking about moving one of your better Dmen. Otherwise, no point as it's just a lateral (or worse) move.

[Poe969]

Ya they should trade this good young defenseman for s different good young defenseman because the good young defenseman is garbage.

I wish the flames would just trade Hamilton for Bouwmeester just to shut some people up.

And the flames should only sign players to one year deals so no contracts look bad.

[sureLoss]

No point in signing Gaudreau or Monahan they both could be the next Sam Gagner

[Poe969]

Imagine if the flames got hamonic and he wasn't amazing after 20 games. Some here would write him off and want him traded too!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I hate to say it but you deal Hamilton now and run. He could work out or he could be the next Bouwmeester, I personally would not want to wait around to find out... that contract we gave him could single handily kill us for years to come.

... there's something that doesn't sit right with this guy.

He's 22 years old. Big, great skating d-man who put up 42 points last year. Started off the season poorly but has played better and better and played really well last night and now is the time to deal him? Honestly, I don't get it, sorry.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

... there's something that doesn't sit right with this guy.

That, this month, Hamilton has been on ice for 7 of 18 even strength goals for and 3 of 18 even strength goals against (two of those surrendered against Colorado on the 1st of November, which would bring it to 1 all month pretty much)? That, in that time, Hamilton has been on slowly increasing amounts of ice time?

I certainly didn't think he looked good early either. He's come into his own again though and I think he's starting to show exactly why everybody coveted him at the point of trade. He's surprisingly fast for his size and provides an excellent amount of offensive depth to the back end. An excellent trade for a guy who's only 22.

[Yoho]

Would it be straight up Gio for Hamonic ? or would either team have to add?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would it be straight up Gio for Hamonic ? or would either team have to add?

Islanders add significantly.

[dieHARDflameZ]

The Flames aren't trading Gio for Hamonic. They just re-signed him and he's the team captain.

I would be absolutely shocked.

[cofias]

Hamilton to me has looked as good as any 22 yr old defenseman could aside from the first seven games or so. Of course he needed a little game time to adjust to a new team and system. He is going to be a great player for us for a long time. There's no way I deal him for Hamonic without a major add for the Islanders.

[dying4acup]

IF and only IF the Flames could acquire Hamonic without moving GIO/Brodie/Hamilton/Bennett/Gaudreau/Monahan, do it!

Imagine that top 4! You could bring Macoun and Nattress out of retirement to be bottom pair and it wouldn't matter!

[JiriHrdina]

"Something doesn't sit right with this guy"?!!
Geez at least have something specific and tangible to criticize. What the heck does that even mean?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by cofias

Hamilton to me has looked as good as any 22 yr old defenseman could aside from the first seven games or so. Of course he needed a little game time to adjust to a new team and system. He is going to be a great player for us for a long time. There's no way I deal him for Hamonic without a major add for the Islanders.

All other points aside, how many 22 year old D make the money, hence have the expectations of Hamilton? Flames could have spent a lot less money if the benchmark was other 22 year olds

Age is one thing, contract, ceiling and more importantly reality are the others

[BigTuna]

I can't believe people are already giving-up on Hamilton. Guy is a stud. Everyone but Flames fans saw this overachieving team taking a massive dive this year. That trade was a steal, as was his contract.
The Flames will be fine. Add another high pick and move forward next season.

[Caged Great]

In the offseason, the #1 thing the Flames needed in the system was a right handed D-man with size and a good slap shot. Hamilton has all of those attributes and is a great skater. The only thing he lacks is the raw physicality that a guy like Pronger had. If he did have that physicality, I don't think Boston moves him. Finesse style of games are not necessarily bad either as long as he plays well defensively. Since the Ottawa game, he has been one of the best D-men defensively.

If he only becomes a Dennis Wideman replacement with better speed, that is a huge win moving forward for what we paid. The fact he's already improving significantly with each game makes it even more lopsided.

People expect a guy like that to come in and be perfect. Outside the top 20 players in the NHL, who is? Plus he's only 22, it's not like he's a finished product either. He will likely get better as he and the team move forward.

[cannon7]

Those suggesting the Flames trade Hamilton are embarrassing. There are some thoughts you are better off keeping to yourself.

[1991 Canadian]

I'm amazed Brodie's, Hamilton's and Giordano's names have been thrown out there at all.

Brodie is better than Hamonic and on arguably a better contract. I've only really seen this put out there by other fanbases but it is laughable to me.

Giordano is better than Hamonic and likely will be for the majority of Hamonic's contract. Frankly, I don't understand people discounting Gio after 20 games when he played the last 2.5 years at a Norris calibre level. Particularly since he clearly didn't start the season healthy.

Hamilton is younger than Hamonic and possibly on a better trajectory. I wouldn't trade a 1st and two 2nds in a deep draft for Hamonic. I don't understanding giving up on Hamilton after a 20 game sample size.

If we could trade Russell+ or Wideman+, I'd love to have Hamonic. But we already have two defenseman better than Hamonic and one that is likely going to be better.

I really hope Brad Treliving's response is something along the lines of "We're not desperate for a no 3 defenceman, but we'd be willing to give up Wideman/Russell and add a draft pick or another bottom level roster player to help the optics out."

If Snow has no better offers, than great, make it happen. But I honestly don't care if Hamonic goes to Edmonton or Vancouver or Winnipeg. He's a good defenceman on a good contract, but we're not talking about Erik Karlsson here.

[Tinordi]

Giordano for Hamonic is an interesting proposition if you remove the emotion around it. There'd obviously need to be other pieces but Flames get a piece more in line with their window and their cap constraints while the Isles get a piece in line with their window and need.

It will never happen but that'd be a cold-eyed hockey trade.

And as an aside, people proposing to trade Hamilton aren't throwing him under the bus as much as understanding that you're not going to trade Wideman or Russell for Hamonic. To get you've got to give. Pretty basic.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

I'm amazed Brodie's, Hamilton's and Giordano's names have been thrown out there at all.

They're only thrown out there to demonstrate how silly the "What if we accumulate a bunch of garbage and offer it for Hamonic? Would that work?" kind of proposals. Well, except for some of the "Gio straight up" proposals that are earnest, those should be discounted and ignored.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Those suggesting the Flames trade Hamilton are embarrassing. There are some thoughts you are better off keeping to yourself.

The only way I am okay with Hamilton for Hamonic is if Snow adds Strome to the deal. Flames get a 22 year old forward that could potentially replace Hudler on the top line down the road. Hamilton has the highest upside of any of the players in the trade.

I can't see the Flames moving Dougie but if the Islanders add a player like Stome to Hamonic then it is worth considering.