Kipper won't agree to be traded

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Lots of players have babies and don't quit playing as a result. They may take a day or two off tops, and then get back to work. You don't use the newborn baby excuse as a reason to simply be a "no show". Very unprofessional of Kipper.

That's exactly what he did. What are you talking about?

[MikeN]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

They had a real nightmare scenario on 960 that can be filed under 'skin chance'.

1) Kiprusoff doesn't get moved this season at the deadline
2) Gets questioned by reporters, admits the Flames knew he wasn't going to play out the last year of the deal.
3) He retires at the end of the season
4) Flames get dinged their 2013 first round pick for 'cap circumvention'.

It would be so tragic that you'd have to laugh.

Oh god.....

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

They had a real nightmare scenario on 960 that can be filed under 'slim chance'.

1) Kiprusoff doesn't get moved this season at the deadline
2) Gets questioned by reporters, admits the Flames knew he wasn't going to play out the last year of the deal.
3) He retires at the end of the season
4) Flames get dinged their 2013 first round pick for 'cap circumvention'.

It would be so tragic that you'd have to laugh.

False, won't happen.

A) Kipper doesn't talk to the media.

B) No Calgary media member would dare ask a question like that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

They had a real nightmare scenario on 960 that can be filed under 'slim chance'.

1) Kiprusoff doesn't get moved this season at the deadline
2) Gets questioned by reporters, admits the Flames knew he wasn't going to play out the last year of the deal.
3) He retires at the end of the season
4) Flames get dinged their 2013 first round pick for 'cap circumvention'.

It would be so tragic that you'd have to laugh.

I can't imagine that the league would do that and Flames just say Kipper is misremembering what happened.

[redforever]

Hakan Loob decided to call it quits, in his prime, after he won the Cup.

Why is he not being stabbed with a pitch fork?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by fredr123

False, won't happen.

A) Kipper doesn't talk to the media.

B) No Calgary media member would dare ask a question like that.

No Edmonton media member would ask an Oiler a question like that. But you know guys like Francis or Johnson would salivate at the idea of finding yet another reason to be negative about the Flames.

But neither Kipper nor Flames management are that stupid anyway.

[woob]

Beat by Resolute.

Originally Posted by fredr123

False, won't happen.

A) Kipper doesn't talk to the media.

B) No Calgary media member would dare ask a question like that.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

[nik-]

The Devils got punished because their Kovalchuk situation was completely ridiculous. They had 6 sub 1 million dollar years tacked on at the end on a contract that expired when he was 44.

That's in another Universe than a contract that has a 5 million year and then a 1.5 million year when the goalie is 37.

[Harvey's Tongue]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

They had a real nightmare scenario on 960 that can be filed under 'slim chance'.

1) Kiprusoff doesn't get moved this season at the deadline
2) Gets questioned by reporters, admits the Flames knew he wasn't going to play out the last year of the deal.
3) He retires at the end of the season
4) Flames get dinged their 2013 first round pick for 'cap circumvention'.

It would be so tragic that you'd have to laugh.

Keenan mouthing off may be enough to trigger an investigation.

I can't even fathom how up a creek we'll be if they take our 2013 first.

[afc wimbledon]

There is a huge difference between retiring and holding out, both morally and legaly, it is not Kippers fault that the Flames have been run by efftards and are now screwed.

He is not morally obligated, at his age, to move to some other city and live out of a suitcase calling his kids every night on facetime in a pathetic attempt to be part of their lives.

My respect for him would have been diminished if he put the needs of the team over the needs of his family.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No Edmonton media member would ask an Oiler a question like that. But you know guys like Francis or Johnson would salivate at the idea of finding yet another reason to be negative about the Flames.

But neither Kipper nor Flames management are that stupid anyway.

Oh, no doubt they will seize the opportunity to ponder and allege. I doubt they have the stones to go to Kipper or Feaster or King and get quotes from these guys point blank.

[Harvey's Tongue]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Devils got punished because their Kovalchuk situation was completely ridiculous. They had 6 sub 1 million dollar years tacked on at the end on a contract that expired when he was 44.

That's in another Universe than a contract that has a 5 million year and then a 1.5 million year when the goalie is 37.

The thing about the Kovy deal is that it wasn't a case of knowingly deceiving the league. The cap circumvention was public and spelled out in the terms of the contract.

If it comes out that the Flames had an understanding with Kipper that he wouldn't play out the contract, Bettman is going to throw the book at us. Kipper's back diving contract was the first one, I'm sure Bettman would love to make an example out of us.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Harvey's Tongue

The thing about the Kovy deal is that it wasn't a case of knowingly deceiving the league. The cap circumvention was public and spelled out in the terms of the contract.

If it comes out that the Flames had an understanding with Kipper that he wouldn't play out the contract, Bettman is going to throw the book at us. Kipper's back diving contract was the first one, I'm sure Bettman would love to make an example out of us.

Yeah, he'd love to make an example of the Flames exposing something in a CBA that no longer exists for using a loophole that has since been closed.

Sure

[You Need a Thneed]

There is ZERO chance that the NHL would punish the Flames in any way for Kipper retiring.

The negotiated Cap recapture clause in the new CBA takes care of the punishment. Kipper's contract doesn't fall under that clause, so there will be no punishment.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is a huge difference between retiring and holding out, both morally and legaly, it is not Kippers fault that the Flames have been run by efftards and are now screwed.

He is not morally obligated, at his age, to move to some other city and live out of a suitcase calling his kids every night on facetime in a pathetic attempt to be part of their lives.

My respect for him would have been diminished if he put the needs of the team over the needs of his family.

Why did he enter pro sports then? He's a well compensated millionaire with no clauses in his contract stipulating he has the right to not be traded or moved. My response is simple: Suck it up buttercup. You signed a contract with a lot of 0`s. Honor it.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

Why did he enter pro sports then? He's a well compensated millionaire with no clauses in his contract stipulating he has the right to not be traded or moved. My response is simple: Suck it up buttercup. You signed a contract with a lot of 0`s. Honor it.

He is honoring it, the contract has a provision allowing him to retire.

[Harvey's Tongue]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, he'd love to make an example of the Flames exposing something in a CBA that no longer exists for using a loophole that has since been closed.

Sure

Did you miss the part of the new CBA that punishes teams for backdiving contracts that had been signed under the previous CBA?

In addition to eliminating future back diving contracts, Gary wants to send GMs a message: don't try to circumvent the cap owners fought so hard for.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

They had a real nightmare scenario on 960 that can be filed under 'slim chance'.

1) Kiprusoff doesn't get moved this season at the deadline
2) Gets questioned by reporters, admits the Flames knew he wasn't going to play out the last year of the deal.
3) He retires at the end of the season
4) Flames get dinged their 2013 first round pick for 'cap circumvention'.

It would be so tragic that you'd have to laugh.

There is no chance the flames will lose a pick if Kipper retires early. The NHL is not going to want to open that "can of worms". There are a lot of other contracts like Kippers out there and they are not going to want to ding all the teams for it. It will make the remaining front loaded contracts even harder to move then they are now. NHL and NHLPA do not need to go to war over this.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

Why did he enter pro sports then? He's a well compensated millionaire with no clauses in his contract stipulating he has the right to not be traded or moved. My response is simple: Suck it up buttercup. You signed a contract with a lot of 0`s. Honor it.

So because he's a millionaire, he forefeits the same labour rights afforded to the rest of the population. Logical.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by redforever

Hakan Loob decided to call it quits, in his prime, after he won the Cup.

Why is he not being stabbed with a pitch fork?

Really, you don't understand the difference? Kipper just screwed the Flames out of a 1st rounder or whatever he is worth now. If he simply retired after the season, there is no issue. He is trying to have a NTC when he doesn't actually have one.