[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[littlereddevil]

This pick almost reminds me of Ryan Johansen. A player that came out of nowhere in a one to two year span.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

if he goes to rookie camp of course, as an NCAA eligible player he would have to pay his own way

it's not that unusual for guys to be drafted out of US prep schools into the NHL either, and from reading different articles it sounds like his prep school plays some of their games against US prep schools.

Jankowski also played in a college prospect tournament in Boston and turned some heads there.

The US doesn't have a CHL type of infrastructure tho...

it's very rare for a canadian high schooler to get drafted by the NHL, because, typically, those elite talents get vacuumed up by the CHL teams. In fact the highest canadian high schooler picked by the NHL was a 7th rounder in 2005.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...cmpid=rss-News

[Bonded]

The only solace I have is that maybe TT, Maata, or Zerg didn't want to be drafted by the Flames, which is bad in a different way

[Katie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The only solace I have is that maybe TT, Maata, or Zerg didn't want to be drafted by the Flames, which is bad in a different way

I really dont see that being the case at all.

The Flames had Jankowski rated ahead of those three, while many may not agree, im willing to wait and see how they all develop. No reason to jump to any conclusions at this point.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

The US doesn't have a CHL type of infrastructure tho...

it's very rare for a canadian high schooler to get drafted by the NHL, because, typically, those elite talents get vacuumed up by the CHL teams. In fact the highest canadian high schooler picked by the NHL was a 7th rounder in 2005.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...cmpid=rss-News

I never said it was the same or that this was a regular occurrence, just that players from prep school get drafted regularly (especially MN, MA and CT prep schools).

but it does help that he did play some games against US schools (almost certainly exhibition matches) and like I said as well he did turn heads at a tournament in Boston this season as well.

[Tinordi]

Has anyone read Outliers by Malcolm gladwell?

Pretty appropriate regarding this pick.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Has anyone read Outliers by Malcolm gladwell?

Pretty appropriate regarding this pick.

Tuevo is in the same boat though?

TT born on September 11th 1994
Jankowski born on September 13th 1994

The age thing is a wash

[schooner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Has anyone read Outliers by Malcolm gladwell?

Pretty appropriate regarding this pick.

If I remember correctly he suggested that hockey players benefited greatly from being among the oldest in their group, ie born in Jan, Feb, or March. This is due to minor hockey programs streaming at a very young age, so players at the age of 5, 6, 7 years old where the difference in 8-11 months of growth contribute largely to a players development, and this will impact later success. Not sure how that applies to this pick.

[Mightyfire89]

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[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by schooner

If I remember correctly he suggested that hockey players benefited greatly from being among the oldest in their group, ie born in Jan, Feb, or March. This is due to minor hockey programs streaming at a very young age, so players at the age of 5, 6, 7 years old where the difference in 8-11 months of growth contribute largely to a players development, and this will impact later success. Not sure how that applies to this pick.

Because Jankowski is one of those young player routinely passed over for being younger. Gladwell's argument is that smart teams would recognize that discrepancy and look for younger players all else being equal. That's just what the Flames have done.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Because Jankowski is one of those young player routinely passed over for being younger. Gladwell's argument is that smart teams would recognize that discrepancy and look for younger players all else being equal. That's just what the Flames have done.

Okay, but if being passed over has hurt his development, you can't simply undo that by drafting him early.

[Tinordi]

But if you think he has the raw talent and has been playing his whole career essentially against competition that's 8 to 11 months older than him then you could project that he'd be a top pick had he been born earlier in the year.

This is dependent on him growing and maturing as essentially a 2013 pick so he's a year further away in his development potentially. Judging by the scouting reports on the high latent talent level, and the fact that the Flames need upfront players at late draft positions, this pick makes perfect sense.

[SebC]

We passed on a player two days older to get him though, one who plays in a men's league despite being young.

[Katie]

Originally Posted by SebC

We passed on a player two days older to get him though, one who plays in a men's league despite being young.

Collberg was a player playing against men, who many Flames fans were apparently interested in at 14. He is still available to start the 2nd round tomorrow.

[schooner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Because Jankowski is one of those young player routinely passed over for being younger. Gladwell's argument is that smart teams would recognize that discrepancy and look for younger players all else being equal. That's just what the Flames have done.

I believe he was trying to show a causal relationship between two variables, birth month and future success, rather then advising on how to evalulate hockey players. Certainly if a player young in his age group was showing more progress then his older peers that would be a positive sign, but I dont think he was suggesting that NHL teams target promising players born in the later part of the year. To him it was more of a statistical analysis to predict who may or may not become a successful NHLer, most of all, later birth month players have to overcome much greater odds. By his studies Jankowski should be a dud.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by SebC

We passed on a player two days older to get him though, one who plays in a men's league despite being young.

Yeah and I would have been happy picking the Finn too. Flames decided they liked Mark better. We'll see what the right pick was but Teuvo dropped 3 more picks past the Flames' 14th so many teams weren't totally on board. It's a risky move no doubt. But sometimes you have to roll the dice.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by schooner

I believe he was trying to show a causal relationship between two variables, birth month and future success, rather then advising on how to evalulate hockey players. Certainly if a player young in his age group was showing more progress then his older peers that would be a positive sign, but I dont think he was suggesting that NHL teams target promising players born in the later part of the year. To him it was more of a statistical analysis to predict who may or may not become a successful NHLer, most of all, later birth month players have to overcome much greater odds. By his studies Jankowski should be a dud.

You should go back and re-read that chapter because that's not his point.

His point is that when you're born matters and that that usually is unfair for players like hockey players. He specifically says that younger players should be treated the same as older ones even though they aren't as 'good' because they're younger. If that's the case when the maturation process is over, many many good players that could have been pros aren't targetted because of our narrow focus on statistics for success.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The OHL, WHL and the Q are not good enough for the Calgary Flames.

NCAA is a far superior developmental program. You want some plug, pick from those leagues. Zach Parise played intramural hockey before he was drafted too.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The OHL is a softer league than the NCAA. He could light it up their me thinks but the NCAA could be good for him to play against tougher competition.

Exactly, why would you want him to play against children when he could play against men. Plus, if you are drafting a skill guy the NCAA is a superior program to develop skill.

[IginlasEnforcer]

I really like this pick...I don't see him being any different then the other prospect available as this draft seemed rather shallow offensively to begin with!

I would also like to point out that if he takes 3 years to develop, he will only be 20 so, lets have a little patience ok.