02-07-2024, 12:06 PM
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#5161
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Oh wow, you met a jew you didn't like, thus you don't like any of them. There is a name for that.
The Palestinians have very publicly, along with other nations, declared their desire to kill all Jews. Then they followed with rockets launches for twenty years, then absolute murder and other disgusting acts against Jews.
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The hypocrisy.
How dare you lump people in as one and the same.
Excuse me while I do just that.
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02-07-2024, 12:13 PM
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#5162
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Oh wow, you met a jew you didn't like, thus you don't like any of them. There is a name for that.
The Palestinians have very publicly, along with other nations, declared their desire to kill all Jews. Then they followed with rockets launches for twenty years, then absolute murder and other disgusting acts against Jews.
And your takeaway was Jews are bad? I don't wish genocide, nor do any of my cousins. However, they want to be safe, and their government is going about doing that.
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Lol
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02-07-2024, 12:16 PM
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#5163
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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And just like that, Israel rejects the ceasefire proposal.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68232883
Looks like genocide is much more important to Netanyahu than the release of the captives.
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02-07-2024, 12:17 PM
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#5164
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2018
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Originally Posted by _Q_
Dude, the article is written in plain English. It's no higher than grade 10 level English.
If it's too difficult for you, DM me and I can break it down.
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Sure. Break it down for me.
Tell me how this deal will eliminate Hamas. Pro-tip, it won’t. All this will do is allow Hamas to re-arm, and do the same thing in a few years. When Hamas does it again, more Palestinian civilians will pay the price. Hamas is doing nothing unless it suits them, not the citizens it governs.
Best path forward for Palestinians is removal of Hamas.
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02-07-2024, 12:22 PM
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#5165
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by _Q_
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Hamas rejected Israel's terms, and then Israel rejected Hamas' terms. It's not one sided by any means.
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02-07-2024, 12:32 PM
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#5166
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Originally Posted by Doctorfever
Sure. Break it down for me.
Tell me how this deal will eliminate Hamas. Pro-tip, it won’t. All this will do is allow Hamas to re-arm, and do the same thing in a few years. When Hamas does it again, more Palestinian civilians will pay the price. Hamas is doing nothing unless it suits them, not the citizens it governs.
Best path forward for Palestinians is removal of Hamas.
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Shouldn't the goal for Israel be to live in peace and security, rather than the myopic idea that Hamas needs to be eliminated? Do you think what's happening in Gaza is going to lead to long term peace?
Create a political horizon for the Palestinians and they will have no reason to support Hamas.
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02-07-2024, 12:35 PM
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#5167
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Q_
Shouldn't the goal for Israel be to live in peace and security, rather than the myopic idea that Hamas needs to be eliminated? Do you think what's happening in Gaza is going to lead to long term peace?
Create a political horizon for the Palestinians and they will have no reason to support Hamas.
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How do you suggest this horizon is created while Hamas governs Gaza?
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02-07-2024, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by blankall
Hamas rejected Israel's terms, and then Israel rejected Hamas' terms. It's not one sided by any means.
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Sure, doesn’t really change the fact that multiple people here were peddling the lie that all Hamas would have to do is release the hostages for the bombing to stop.
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02-07-2024, 12:38 PM
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#5169
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Originally Posted by Doctorfever
How do you suggest this horizon is created while Hamas governs Gaza?
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If both sides can live in peace with each other, why does it matter to you who governs Gaza?
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02-07-2024, 12:49 PM
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#5170
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Join Date: Oct 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Q_
If both sides can live in peace with each other, why does it matter to you who governs Gaza?
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Oh man cmon you can’t be this obtuse
Even if we disregard the fact Israel left Gaza completely almost two decades ago, having an Iranian proxy militia operate on your door step is not conducive in creating long lasting peace.
Like c’mon, you are cool with Palestinians being govern by tyrannical religious fanatics? Even someone who is vehemently anti-Israel should be able to admit Hamas governing Palestinians is terrible for Palestinians and of course it does matter who governs. Like what are you even trying to argue here. Even if Hamas could sustain peace with Israel why would you want Palestinians to continue being governed by them?
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02-07-2024, 12:51 PM
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#5171
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Sure, doesn’t really change the fact that multiple people here were peddling the lie that all Hamas would have to do is release the hostages for the bombing to stop.
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That was never Israel's stated goal. Israel ongoingly states that they are not agreeing to a deal that pushes things back to the previous status quo.
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02-07-2024, 12:51 PM
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#5172
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First Line Centre
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Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Q_
If both sides can live in peace with each other, why does it matter to you who governs Gaza?
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Do you really believe Hamas wants to live in peace with Israel?
Second question, do you think Hamas should be eliminated?
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02-07-2024, 12:54 PM
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#5173
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by _Q_
If both sides can live in peace with each other, why does it matter to you who governs Gaza?
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Hamas attacked Israel, on command from Iran, with the specific goal of sabotaging a peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Hamas does not have the best interest of Palestinians in mind. They are dedicated to conflict with Israel.
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02-07-2024, 12:56 PM
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#5174
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctorfever
Do you really believe Hamas wants to live in peace with Israel?
Second question, do you think Hamas should be eliminated?
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Yes, I believe they can live in peace with Israel.
I don't care much for Hamas. I think there are better political parties out there in Palestine. Eliminated politically, as in become irrelevant due to having no need for them. Yes I'm all for it. Eliminated militarily, as in causing death and destruction and creating something worse than them, then no, I can't stand by that.
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02-07-2024, 12:58 PM
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#5175
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Beninho
Oh man cmon you can’t be this obtuse
Even if we disregard the fact Israel left Gaza completely almost two decades ago, having an Iranian proxy militia operate on your door step is not conducive in creating long lasting peace.
Like c’mon, you are cool with Palestinians being govern by tyrannical religious fanatics? Even someone who is vehemently anti-Israel should be able to admit Hamas governing Palestinians is terrible for Palestinians and of course it does matter who governs. Like what are you even trying to argue here. Even if Hamas could sustain peace with Israel why would you want Palestinians to continue being governed by them?
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Are you OK with israel being governed by violent religious fanatics as they currently are? Do you stand by a military solution to eliminate Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Netanyahu, even if in the process a genocide is committed?
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02-07-2024, 01:00 PM
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#5176
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by _Q_
If both sides can live in peace with each other, why does it matter to you who governs Gaza?
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You are losing the plot man and moving the goal posts. Hamas needs to go. You are making yourself look bad these last 4 or so posts...
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02-07-2024, 01:05 PM
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#5177
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Yes, Hamas should be eliminated. No, you shouldn't commit genocide to do it.
I don't see how that's such a controversial statement.
Alright, carry on with another 200 pages of the same back and forth
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02-07-2024, 01:06 PM
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#5178
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by btimbit
Yes, Hamas should be eliminated. No, you shouldn't commit genocide to do it.
I don't see how that's such a controversial statement.
Alright, carry on with another 200 pages of the same back and forth
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Apparently not everyone agrees. Crazy.
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02-07-2024, 01:14 PM
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#5179
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Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Q_
Are you OK with israel being governed by violent religious fanatics as they currently are? Do you stand by a military solution to eliminate Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Netanyahu, even if in the process a genocide is committed?
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I see no place for religious fanatics in government so no I am not ok with Gvir etc, but they do not make the majority of the government as much as you may be led to believe.
I mean sure I would be if there was an actual genocide taking place but there isn’t.
You cool with Hamas governing Palestinians even in peace with Israel? You cool with that? And if so why?
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02-07-2024, 01:17 PM
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#5180
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leondros
You are losing the plot man and moving the goal posts. Hamas needs to go. You are making yourself look bad these last 4 or so posts...
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Did I say they don't need to go?
I'm trying to point to a better alternative than just kill as many Palestinian in the hopes that they either leave or die off.
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