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Old 07-16-2025, 12:25 PM   #5141
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From what I remember reading, 26 doesn’t have much for centres at the top end. Probably worth the gamble to get a top 3 calibre centre.

I’d be surprised if it was unprotected in the case of a trade, anyway.
I’d be fine if they did it. It would be hated though
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Old 07-16-2025, 12:28 PM   #5142
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I thought he had a year left. I bet Dallas could find a younger dman for McTavish if they had some flexibility. Needing a contract kills it though.
No they can't. They could trade for Byram and play him on the right side but he doesn't have the experience or steadiness of Andersson and is a LS. There are no other RD on the market. It isn't about McTavish's value, it doesn't matter if the position you are shopping for has no market.
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Old 07-16-2025, 12:37 PM   #5143
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Flames will have to be confident they're not a Lottery team with McTavish in the fold if they move the 26 1st. Which is plausible.

McTavish is in the group of players I'd personally be okay gambling the 26 flames 1st on. The nay sayers will have their objections but really, all you're looking for is productive games played by a player on your team. McTavish will be a player for the Flames for a very long time. And is more likely to be that than the unknown player they may get to draft.

I don't know. Seems pretty far afield to see McTavish moved. But I'm game to see the Flames make a splash. What does an aggressive Conroy trade look like.
2014/15 Flames make the second round of the playoffs after a long rebuild. We make a big trade for Dougie Hamilton giving us what is supposed to be one of the strongest D core in the NHL. We proceed to finish 6 from the bottom. Fortunately the trade was done at the draft for our 2015 pick, otherwise we would have missed drafting Tkachuk.

The Flames overachieved last season. There is a very real chance we finish in the lottery regardless of whom we trade for. Especially if we lose Andersson.
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Old 07-16-2025, 12:51 PM   #5144
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2014/15 Flames make the second round of the playoffs after a long rebuild. We make a big trade for Dougie Hamilton giving us what is supposed to be one of the strongest D core in the NHL. We proceed to finish 6 from the bottom. Fortunately the trade was done at the draft for our 2015 pick, otherwise we would have missed drafting Tkachuk.

The Flames overachieved last season. There is a very real chance we finish in the lottery regardless of whom we trade for. Especially if we lose Andersson.
But do the Flames finish in the exact same spot in 15/16 if they didn’t make the Hamilton trade?

These straight line ‘if this then that’ comparisons don’t make sense.
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Old 07-16-2025, 01:05 PM   #5145
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2014/15 Flames make the second round of the playoffs after a long rebuild. We make a big trade for Dougie Hamilton giving us what is supposed to be one of the strongest D core in the NHL. We proceed to finish 6 from the bottom. Fortunately the trade was done at the draft for our 2015 pick, otherwise we would have missed drafting Tkachuk.

The Flames overachieved last season. There is a very real chance we finish in the lottery regardless of whom we trade for. Especially if we lose Andersson.
The Flames weren't at the end of a "long rebuild" in 14-15. They were in the middle of one, having finally just drafted top 4OA in 2014 and and 6OA the year before). I'd argue the Hamilton trade was a solid part of the rebuild attempt - to get a 22 year old future Norris trophy winner. It wasn't a misstep at all. There were others afterward.
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If the Flames were dealing with the Ducks directly would any of these offers move the needle?

Andersson, Zary, 1st
Coleman, Zary, 1st
Pospisil, Zary, Mews, 1st

The first in all deals is ideally Vegas but I would be okay if the Flames pick had some conditions that wouldn’t cost the team McKenna if they were so lucky.
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Old 07-16-2025, 01:16 PM   #5147
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If the Flames were dealing with the Ducks directly would any of these offers move the needle?

Andersson, Zary, 1st
Coleman, Zary, 1st
Pospisil, Zary, Mews, 1st

The first in all deals is ideally Vegas but I would be okay if the Flames pick had some conditions that wouldn’t cost the team McKenna if they were so lucky.
I personally don't think so.

I think the only way McTavish gets moved is for a perceived upgrade or gamebreaker at forward.

I don't think they'd move him for a package of pieces. The only piece from the Flames that likely is a conversation starter is probably Coronato, and Flames likely have to add still.
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I personally don't think so.

I think the only way McTavish gets moved is for a perceived upgrade or gamebreaker at forward.

I don't think they'd move him for a package of pieces.
If they could t keep him their ideal is likely a similar swap they made with the Flyers with Drysdale-Gauthier deal where they add a similar high end young piece. Something around Rossi+ but then why not just sign McTavish to a big deal?

Our chances were always slim but very much so if we are banking on a 3 team deal
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Old 07-16-2025, 01:32 PM   #5149
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I think today is literally the slowest sports day of the year.

- No MLB games since it's the day after the all star game
- No Golf tournament until Thursday
- Wimbledon just finished
- NFL / NBA / NHL / European Soccer all in offseason
- No College Sports
If you're a person of culture, you can always tune into some eSports? Can I offer you some Counter-Strike or League of Legends? If not, then all is lost.
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If you're a person of culture, you can always tune into some eSports? Can I offer you some Counter-Strike or League of Legends? If not, then all is lost.
Basement-dwelling culture?
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Old 07-16-2025, 01:40 PM   #5151
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I think that’s called mold
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I'd be interested in either of McTavish or Robertson to a similar degree.

Robertson is more established and could bank you 40G/90Pts a year right now but is a couple years older, while McTavish while not dominant yet has plenty of upside and plays the more desired position.

Either would be worth spending assets to get IMO.
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Old 07-16-2025, 01:41 PM   #5153
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No they can't. They could trade for Byram and play him on the right side but he doesn't have the experience or steadiness of Andersson and is a LS. There are no other RD on the market. It isn't about McTavish's value, it doesn't matter if the position you are shopping for has no market.
I think McTavish could get a dman that hasn’t been floating in the rumour mill. The only D options aren’t Byram and Andersson and weren’t you banging the drum that unexpected players get traded all the time. Like I said though, it’s a moot point as it sure doesn’t work when McTavish needs to be signed right away.
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Old 07-16-2025, 01:41 PM   #5154
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If the Flames trade a '26 1st round pick, just negotiate it so that its the lower of the two between the Vegas pick and the Flames pick, unless both picks are 24th or later, then it becomes the higher of the two. No top-10 protection needed.

Or make it protected in that if its 16 or higher in 2026, the Flames can choose to send the 2026 pick or send the 2027 unprotected.

If it gets you MacTavish, I say you do it.

Dallas - Andersson, Conditional 2026 1st
Anaheim - Robertson
Calgary - McTavish
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2014/15 Flames make the second round of the playoffs after a long rebuild. We make a big trade for Dougie Hamilton giving us what is supposed to be one of the strongest D core in the NHL. We proceed to finish 6 from the bottom. Fortunately the trade was done at the draft for our 2015 pick, otherwise we would have missed drafting Tkachuk.

The Flames overachieved last season. There is a very real chance we finish in the lottery regardless of whom we trade for. Especially if we lose Andersson.
Hamilton was 22 when we acquired him…
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Basement-dwelling culture?
Posting that on a sports forum is a bit of a glass house situation I'd think

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I'd be interested in either of McTavish or Robertson to a similar degree.

Robertson is more established and could bank you 40G/90Pts a year but a couple years older, while McTavish while not dominant yet has plenty of upside and plays the more desired position.

Either would be worth spending assets to get IMO.
If there really is an appetite for a 3-way deal, as much as I like the offense Robo brings, I’m way more excited about McTavish.

To Cgy: Mason McTavish + Anaheim 2nd 2026
To Dallas: Rasmus Andersson + Blake Coleman (50% Retained) + Grushnikov
To Anaheim: Jason Robertson + Yegor Sharangovich
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Posting that on a sports forum is a bit of a glass house situation I'd think

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Speak for yourself. I'm sitting outside as we speak.

Heck, I have a defined watch tan line not even halfway into summer. Do you have a watch tan line?
I can only dream of such prestige!

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lol. Can't believe some of you guys think we could get Robertson for Rasmus.

We would be posting the start the car Ikea gif for a decade. hahahahaha
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