05-19-2011, 11:24 PM
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#5141
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Originally Posted by SebC
I personally feel that claiming to have degrees is deceitful if they do not come from an accredited insitution, particularly if it is not volutarilty disclosed where they come from.
If I say I have an MA in Political Economics and a PhD in Constitutional Law, but I don't tell you the come from the "SebC Institute of Imaginary Deities"... you'd probably think that for all intents and purposes I've been misrepresenting my education to almost the same magnitude as when the NDP said Ruth Ellen had completed her degree when in fact she was only working towards it.
Then this guy says today that accreditation is meaningless. I disagree. I think the lack of accreditation for his degrees makes him a weasel.
Yes, people found out about before the election and therefore the results of the election were not effected, and that's significantly different from the Ruth Ellen situation. However, I don't feel that the timeframe for getting busted makes Hillyer's conduct any more or less ethical. Claiming degrees from unaccredited institutions is pretty bad. If the place where Hillyer's "degrees" came from was in Canada, it would not have been able to give him an MA or PhD without being accredited.
Hillyer justified his actions saying "Theoretically, a school could form it's own accreditation body and call itself accredited." This is technically true, but in Canada, such a 'self-accredited' school would not be able to grant degrees.
I also find it amusing that apparently a bunch of people here apparently knew about this before the election but none of them thought it was newsworthy. Hello, partisans.
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This is the first that I have heard of it, but if his constituents knew of this information before the election and still chose to vote for him, then so be it. You could say that it reflects poorly on them, just as Ruth Ellen Vegas girl's victory reflects poorly on her constituents. I suppose that it reflects poorly on Hillyer, but evidently, not poorly enough to actually matter. As for his comments made afterwards, what else is he supposed to say? He is a politician, and he is going to try and spin things.
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05-20-2011, 07:04 AM
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#5142
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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^well in truth I knew about this during the campaign SebC. I was debating posting the video of the guy just trying to ask him a question and issues about him in general. I really wanted to post the Facebook commentary because that was really enlightening (coming from dedicated CPC members). I decided to pass though, not because it's not a major issue, but because I figured that the people there deserved some measure of privacy. A lot of people know who I am here (which I'm fine with), but the others on Facebook didn't make that same choice....so I guess I just wasn't comfortable in being the guy to make that call for them.
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05-20-2011, 07:23 AM
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#5143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC
I personally feel that claiming to have degrees is deceitful if they do not come from an accredited insitution, particularly if it is not volutarilty disclosed where they come from.
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Then there is this guy.
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/05/20...-resume-padded
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05-20-2011, 07:46 AM
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#5144
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To be clear, the story I read on it (and I thought I got to it via a link posted in this thread, but I could be mistaken on that) about this Hillyer dude was that he freely admitted what his education was and where the degrees came from. Some time later, someone actually dug into the school and learned it wasn't an accredited university but a religious based one without accreditation (if my memory serves).
So, to use Moon's analogy, he said he had an MBA or PhD in economics from Googly-Moogly University of Lecrechans and that was accepted... then someone actually looked into the university a bit more and learned how it wasn't accredited. At least, that's how I remember that part. No lying or deciet on his behalf.
As for the rest, I agree - not showing up to the forums, hiding behind the excuse of "door-to-door campaigning", refusing to answer questions, etc. are weak. But, he won... so now we get to see what he can do for 4 years. If he's useless, or worse a nutjob, I'd expect him to be tossed from the Tory party. Maybe he can grow into it.
And yes, I feel the same way about Vegas. She never expected to win (obviously) but now that she has she has an incredible opportunity to change her life. She appears to taking steps to do so - visiting the riding, improving her language, trying to get to know the issues, etc - and good for her. Personally, I hope she is successful and she probably has a better chance than some of the other NDP candidates that fluked their way into the house in Quebec. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the next few years.
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05-20-2011, 08:45 AM
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#5145
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If he's useless, or worse a nutjob, I'd expect him to be tossed from the Tory party.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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05-20-2011, 09:19 AM
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#5146
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by transplant99
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Do people not understand the difference between a degree and a certificate? If the quote in the story is accurate, he never claimed to have a degree from the University, just some certificates.
If he was a prison guard for 8 years, it's not hard to believe that he would have taken some courses related to that over the years.
Of course, it's possible that it's a poorly written story -- or worse, a poorly written re-write of a poorly translated version of a story that was originally poorly written in French -- and maybe he was trying to pretend that taking a couple of adult education night classes gave him a degree in criminology, but you don't get that from the story.
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05-20-2011, 01:35 PM
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#5147
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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I don't understand the provincial leaders that are so upset about the senate appointments. If they held senate elections like Alberta did then they would be able to appoint elected people into the senate when a seat was available. Instead of doing that they whine and sit on their hands complaining about it not being fair.
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05-20-2011, 05:08 PM
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by old-fart
To be clear, the story I read on it (and I thought I got to it via a link posted in this thread, but I could be mistaken on that) about this Hillyer dude was that he freely admitted what his education was and where the degrees came from. Some time later, someone actually dug into the school and learned it wasn't an accredited university but a religious based one without accreditation (if my memory serves).
So, to use Moon's analogy, he said he had an MBA or PhD in economics from Googly-Moogly University of Lecrechans and that was accepted... then someone actually looked into the university a bit more and learned how it wasn't accredited. At least, that's how I remember that part. No lying or deciet on his behalf.
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According to the article I read, he simply said that he had his MA and PhD studies without stating where they were from until people looked into it and discovered they were from an unaccredited school, at which point he admitted that that was correct. All this occurred before the election. After the election he claimed that accreditation is meaningless, which, at least in Canada, it certainly isn't.
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05-21-2011, 03:14 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary...Alberta, Canada
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An in-depth article about Ruth Ellen Brousseau:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2030517/
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm wishing her the best.
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05-21-2011, 03:29 PM
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#5150
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by The Goon
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Good for her.
She never pretended to be anything more than she is and she freely admits that she was lucky to win. Because of the microscope she'll be under, she'll probably serve her riding better than a lot of MPs.
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05-23-2011, 05:12 PM
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#5151
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Originally Posted by The Goon
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I agree, hopefully she uses this as an opportunity to change her life for the better.
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05-24-2011, 12:04 AM
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#5152
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Hopefully the media uses this as an opportunity to show her life in picture form.
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06-01-2011, 07:50 AM
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#5155
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by NBC
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Layton's just got alot of pent up tension since he doesn't go to the "Velvet Touch" anymore. 
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06-01-2011, 09:19 AM
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#5156
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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What do you guys think should happen to the senate? I am kind of torn between getting rid of it completely or changing it to a Triple E Senate. If we do reform the senate we should follow the U.S. model where each province would have an equal number of Senators. Though the chances of them changing the Constitution to allow that would almost be nil.
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06-01-2011, 10:40 AM
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#5157
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Join Date: May 2004
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I don't think senators should be tied to provinces at all. I'm partial to the idea of a House of Commons consisting of MPs representing individual local ridings and an elected senate based on proportional representation of the national popular vote. Party leaders and cabinet ministers would be selected from the senate so MPs can focus 100% on serving the citizens of their area.
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06-03-2011, 02:55 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Hesla
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What a whacko.
3/4 <> 60.4%
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06-03-2011, 02:59 PM
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#5160
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 555 Saddledome Rise SE
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Originally Posted by Hesla
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Uhhh, didn't we just have an "arab spring"? You know, that whole election thing.
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