Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Scary thing is there is no crack pipe.
This is his sober real life beliefs.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Hamas started the war with a brutal attack and murder of innocent people.

While the attack wasn't justified, it also wasn't unprovoked.

Or do you think it was unprovoked?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

While the attack wasn't justified, it also wasn't unprovoked.

Or do you think it was unprovoked?

Provoked?

In my world there's nothing could provoke me to raping and murdering women and children.

That's plain savagery... period.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Provoked?

In my world there's nothing could provoke me to raping and murdering women and children.

That's plain savagery... period.

Ah! So the rape and murder of women and children is where you draw the line.

Are you OK with condemning the IDF's rape and murder of women and children during this conflict then?

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Ah! So the rape and murder of women and children is where you draw the line.

Are you OK with condemning the IDF's rape and murder of women and children during this conflict then?

I'll take your bait and say I would be the first to condemn the IDF raping for murdering children and women. Please provide sources for rape from unbiased reporters. We've got hours of video footage - not claims or opinions.

Furthermore, if you want to get into technicalities, the IDF's killing of women and children is manslaughter, not murder. Despite what you have been led to believe, there is no intent for civilian casualties. And no, isolated incidents of fringe extremists is not a counter argument.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

I'll take your bait and say I would be the first to condemn the IDF raping for murdering children and women. Please provide sources for rape from unbiased reporters. We've got hours of video footage - not claims or opinions.

Furthermore, if you want to get into technicalities, the IDF's killing of women and children is manslaughter, not murder. Despite what you have been led to believe, there is no intent for civilian casualties. And no, isolated incidents of fringe extremists is not a counter argument.

Israel is literally being investigated for genocide. If you think all the deaths are accidental, you're purposefully pulling the wool over your eyes.

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Israel is literally being investigated for genocide. If you think all the deaths are accidental, you're purposefully pulling the wool over your eyes.

And how is that going? Seems like a lot of egg on the face of the accusers so far.

If you can't see that this is a last ditch attempt to bring Israel down through the social fight (as they won't lose a military fight), then you're purposefully pulling the wool over your eyes.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

And how is that going? Seems like a lot of egg on the face of the accusers so far.

If you can't see that this is a last ditch attempt to bring Israel down through the social fight (as they won't lose a military fight), then you're purposefully pulling the wool over your eyes.

Wtf are you going on about?

The ICJ is requiring israel to stop the genocide, not destroy the evidence and report back in a few weeks. Do you seriously think Israel won that case?

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Wtf are you going on about?

The ICJ is requiring israel to stop the genocide, not destroy the evidence and report back in a few weeks. Do you seriously think Israel won that case?

Actually no, they have not "told them to stop the genocide". There is still only an unfounded claim of genocide in the court with suggestions for measures Israel should take.

I don't think Israel "won" the case, but I do think they have a strong and reasonable defense against it.

[Fuzz]

I think at the point where you are nitpicking over how close to a genocide it is, maybe you should just slow down on the killing of innocents for a bit.

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think at the point where you are nitpicking over how close to a genocide it is, maybe you should just slow down on the killing of innocents for a bit.

There is no line that defines a genocide. There could be double or triple the amount of deaths - but that has zero bearing on the actual definition of a genocide.


"with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

That is not the goal of Israel.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think at the point where you are nitpicking over how close to a genocide it is, maybe you should just slow down on the killing of innocents for a bit.

Um, 1200 innocent people were killed in Israel on October 7.

Israel's rage-revenge has only killed over 16,000 Palestinians, maimed over 40,000 and destroyed approximately 70% of structures. Only 1.5 million Palestinians are displaced and a measly 1% of the Palestinian population has been killed or injured. And you have the gall to say Israel should cool their jets? How dare you.

For you to suggest each Israeli life isn't worth 14 Palestinian lives is the most anti-Semitic thing I have ever read. Why are you so hate filled?

I, for one, will keep harkening back to that one day Hamas terrorists attacked Israel as I give Israel a pass to unleash a months-long violent campaign orders of magnitude more substantial than anything Hamas could ever dream of doing and will be sure to call out your anti-Semitism as long as you keep spouting your hate.

Israel just wants to live in peace by subjugating the people around them as they illegally grow their borders and displace the rightful owners of homes and land. Why do you hate Jewish people so much?

Israel has limited aid and food while cutting off water as they have bombed apartments, hospitals and churches and will continue to do so until Palestinians love Israel like they should.

It all makes perfect sense.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

I don't think Israel "won" the case, but I do think they have a strong and reasonable defense against it.

Which is?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Um, 1200 innocent people were killed in Israel on October 7.

Israel's rage-revenge has only killed over 16,000 Palestinians, maimed over 40,000 and destroyed approximately 70% of structures. Only 1.5 million Palestinians are displaced and a measly 1% of the Palestinian population has been killed or injured. And you have the gall to say Israel should cool their jets? How dare you.

For you to suggest each Israeli life isn't worth 14 Palestinian lives is the most anti-Semitic thing I have ever read. Why are you so hate filled?

I, for one, will keep harkening back to that one day Hamas terrorists attacked Israel as I give Israel a pass to unleash a months-long violent campaign orders of magnitude more substantial than anything Hamas could ever dream of doing and will be sure to call out your anti-Semitism as long as you keep spouting your hate.

Israel just wants to live in peace by subjugating the people around them as they illegally grow their borders and displace the rightful owners of homes and land. Why do you hate Jewish people so much?

Israel has limited aid and food while cutting off water as they have bombed apartments, hospitals and churches and will continue to do so until Palestinians love Israel like they should.

It all makes perfect sense.

Yet it’s still not enough for damage to Gaza to get Hamas to release the hostages. Shows you how much Hamas values the lives of the civilians they supposedly govern.

[TheIronMaiden]

Does anyone believe the hostages are still alive after all that bombing?

[TheIronMaiden]

It seems to me that the entire population of Palestine is being held hostage.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It seems to me that the entire population of Palestine is being held hostage.

They are.

By Hamas.

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Which is?

1. Genocide requires intent to destroy a group.
2. Hamas uses human shields
3. Israel military intelligence will show their evidence in decision making on strikes.
4. Israel will show what they HAVE been doing to minimize casualties.
5. Comparison to global conflicts happening worldwide that get nowhere near this attention.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Yet it’s still not enough for damage to Gaza to get Hamas to release the hostages. Shows you how much Hamas values the lives of the civilians they supposedly govern.

Yeah, dude. I'm totally with you. There are about 100 Israeli hostages in Palestine. I think Israel should keep up that pressure on the 1.5 million displaced, sick and starving civilians while bombing their homes and killing their neighbours until those 100 hostages are released. It's totally rational and not insane at all.

I'm not even bothered by the fact that Israel had over 10,000 Palestinian prisoners as of November 2023. When it comes to taking citizens of other lands, I, too, believe one Israeli should have the equivalent value of 1,000 Palestinians.

Get a load of some of the anti-Semites disputing that, though, eh? When will the mods crack down on their hate?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

1. Genocide requires intent to destroy a group.
2. Hamas uses human shields
3. Israel military intelligence will show their evidence in decision making on strikes.
4. Israel will show what they HAVE been doing to minimize casualties.
5. Comparison to global conflicts happening worldwide that get nowhere near this attention.

I said at the begining of this thread my SIL is Jewish, large parts of her family live in Isreal. I love her and I understand her frustration and anxiety.

That said, years ago. Maybe a 6 years, starting when she first visited Isreal, she would start ranting about how Palestinians were Rats suitable only for slaughter. How Arabs were Evil Rats. When she talks about them I can see the hate cloud her eyes. This is several years ago.


This is why I find it so easy to believe that Isreal is prepared to commit genocide. This kind of hate has been bubbling for a long time. it isn't 1933, its 1940.