2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Erick Estrada]

Just say no to trading with the Leafs. It's happened (Steen comes to mind) but it's rare that ex-Leafs go on to do better than they did in Toronto.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Colborne is an RFA this summer. What do we do with him? He's clearly in Bob's doghouse right now (along with the majority of CP). He might be able to work his way back into favour by the end of the season, but I'd say it's unlikely he proves himself before the trade deadline.

He's 'big' but not truculent. He's in his 20's, but not 'up and coming'. At most, we resign him to a small deal no more than a couple years. What is he worth in a trade?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Colborne is an RFA this summer(...)What is he worth in a trade?

Something like Adam Pardy... at most a throw-in. No one goes out looking for Pardys.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Colborne is an RFA this summer. What do we do with him? He's clearly in Bob's doghouse right now (along with the majority of CP). He might be able to work his way back into favour by the end of the season, but I'd say it's unlikely he proves himself before the trade deadline.

He's 'big' but not truculent. He's in his 20's, but not 'up and coming'. At most, we resign him to a small deal no more than a couple years. What is he worth in a trade?

sign him to a 2 x $1.5-1.9m deal and hope he shows you something.

His value is probably around a 2nd or 3rd rounder if you're dealing with the right team (Vancouver, Pittsburgh), but I'm not sure he's an asset worth trading at this point as he gives Calgary some lineup flexibility and size when he's going.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Colborne is an RFA this summer. What do we do with him? He's clearly in Bob's doghouse right now (along with the majority of CP). He might be able to work his way back into favour by the end of the season, but I'd say it's unlikely he proves himself before the trade deadline.

He's 'big' but not truculent. He's in his 20's, but not 'up and coming'. At most, we resign him to a small deal no more than a couple years. What is he worth in a trade?

I like Colborne when he's on, since he's hard to take off the puck and can win board battles. But the problem is that he plays intense once every 5 games, if that.

When the NHL was shootout-heavy he had good value, but now I'm not so sure. Who knows, Byron took a while to put it all together, so maybe Colborne will eventually get there?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

sign him to a 2 x $1.5-1.9m deal and hope he shows you something.

His value is probably around a 2nd or 3rd rounder if you're dealing with the right team (Vancouver, Pittsburgh), but I'm not sure he's an asset worth trading at this point as he gives Calgary some lineup flexibility and size when he's going.

I'd rather have the pick, especially if gets you a 2nd.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Computerjungle

No trade with leafs. Always bad news!

Why? Flames won the Phaneuf trade.

[Hackey]

I'd gladly take a 2nd for Colborne if someone was willing to offer it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

No way Colborne gets a 2nd, or even a 3rd. He's a 4th liner on 90% of the league. Even Benning wouldn't do that IMO. Think of it this way, how much would you pay for Colborne? I might give up a 4th or a 5th if I wanted a big bodied depth guy like him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Don't like Colborne but willing to swallow Bozek??? Gold Jerry! Gold!!!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why? Flames won the Phaneuf trade.

No they didn't. Both teams lost that trade. The Flames made the deal to get in the playoffs and failed every year until last. Flames did make my last year and Stajan scored the GWG in game 6 but he was on his second contract with Calgary. At the end of the day Stajan was brought in to be a top 2 centre he never panned out. Hagman was lost to re-entry waivers, Mayers left as UFA, White was traded a year later. Phaneuf made the playoffs once with the Leafs and has been a decent top 4 Dman for them but was never and will never be a #1.

In my opinion that trade looked like a clear home run for the Leafs and ended up being a bust for both teams. Toronto is in rebuild 2.0 and Calgary did not make the playoffs again in the Iggy-Kipper era

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I'd rather have the pick, especially if gets you a 2nd.

If Bollig could get Chicago a 3rd, I guess there's always a chance that Colborne could get us a 3rd. Yes, I would also rather have a third.

[heep223]

Right now, with how everything turned out, the Flames won that trade.

Phaneuf is barely a #4 making $7M. He has done nothing since he's been there. He's negative value

[Robbob]

If you get a 4th for Colborne than do it. That is what he cost the flames initially.

[killer_carlson]

I offer Colborne 2 years, $1.2 per, one way contract.

He's a good 4th line option, because when he is on he can move up the lineup for a game or two. otherwise he's on the 4th line. He's good in shootouts and good in the community.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I offer Colborne 2 years, $1.2 per, one way contract.

He's a good 4th line option, because when he is on he can move up the lineup for a game or two. otherwise he's on the 4th line. He's good in shootouts and good in the community.

WTH would you do that? Flames have some hard working kids in the AHL who deserve a shot at cracking the NHL full time more than Joe does. The fact you have to say 'when he is on' is part of the problem. 3on3 favors the Flames and negates the need for Flames to have good shootout guys. All Flames are good in the community.

If you gotta keep him, offer him league min and 2 way. He isn't worth more.

But he has had lots of time and opportunity to prove what he is, and he is basically a 10 lb heavier version of what was picked up a few years back.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by heep223

Right now, with how everything turned out, the Flames won that trade.

Phaneuf is barely a #4 making $7M. He has done nothing since he's been there. He's negative value

It doesn't matter what Phaneuf is now, it's what his trade value was at the time. Sutter got absolutely annihilated on that one, just hilariously brutalized. We still feel the effects of that garbage decision to this day. Imagine if the return was a good, young player and a 1st? That trade is a huge reason why Sutter will never, ever be a GM again. It makes every move Feaster made look brilliant by comparison.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It doesn't matter what Phaneuf is now, it's what his trade value was at the time. Sutter got absolutely annihilated on that one, just hilariously brutalized. We still feel the effects of that garbage decision to this day. Imagine if the return was a good, young player and a 1st? That trade is a huge reason why Sutter will never, ever be a GM again. It makes every move Feaster made look brilliant by comparison.

Imagine this, imagine that... So what man? It happened. Was it good back then? optically no. But that doesn't mean that present day results are discarded to conveniently suit an argument either.

You neglect to understand that at the end of the day, Getting Phaneuf off of the Flames roster was by the biggest win that trade produced. I never cared about the return. And in all honesty, Stajan was a good piece to get back as the C depth was as always weaker than crap back then.

I was elated Phaneuf was gone, more excited than when Bourque got traded away or Glencross. Addition by subtraction.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

WTH would you do that? Flames have some hard working kids in the AHL who deserve a shot at cracking the NHL full time more than Joe does. The fact you have to say 'when he is on' is part of the problem. 3on3 favors the Flames and negates the need for Flames to have good shootout guys. All Flames are good in the community.

If you gotta keep him, offer him league min and 2 way. He isn't worth more.

But he has had lots of time and opportunity to prove what he is, and he is basically a 10 lb heavier version of what was picked up a few years back.

None of the kids in the AHL are demonstrating they are ready to be a full time NHLer.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Imagine this, imagine that... So what man? It happened. Was it good back then? optically no. But that doesn't mean that present day results are discarded to conveniently suit an argument either.

You neglect to understand that at the end of the day, Getting Phaneuf off of the Flames roster was by the biggest win that trade produced. I never cared about the return. And in all honesty, Stajan was a good piece to get back as the C depth was as always weaker than crap back then.

I was elated Phaneuf was gone, more excited than when Bourque got traded away or Glencross. Addition by subtraction.

Ya it happened, what a revelation. Thanks for that. So am I not allowed to talk about it? What's the statute of limitations when it comes to talking about things according the almighty dammage79? Sorry, I guess I missed your memo. Where's your reprimand for heep223 and Vinny01?

You fail to realize that there was other ways of getting him off the roster besides getting fleeced in the most lopsided trade this side of Joe Thornton. Thank goodness you aren't the GM, that's a terrible philosophy. I would say it would make Kevin Lowe proud but even he would laugh at that.