2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would be nice if Phillips got a look with Ruzicka and Lucic. You don't need to have low-upside vets getting smoked at both ends on the fourth line. The best the Flames' fourth line has looked in recent memory was when it had Derek Ryan as the lone veteran between Mangiapane and Hathaway. Might as well see if you can recapture that magic.

I am skeptical the Phillips will get a long look by virtue of the fact that he doesn't Kill penalties. Hathaway, and Derek Ryan worked the PK. Lewis dresses regularly because he works the PK. 4th liners need to bring something extra to the table. At this point Phillips need to prove he is worthy of an offensive role if he wants to break into the Show.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557042648338182144

Haven’t watched it for myself yet so not sure how Frank phrased it exactly.

[bdubbs]

I'd happily pay for Kadri for maximum 5 years, less than 7.5 mil per. Back half of the contract will be ugly but the first few years will be our window anyway.

[CalgaryFan1988]

if the Islanders are talking 7x7 and the Flames are still in it, I'm nervous.

[GranteedEV]

Considering the one line you can't break up is Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman due to their shutdown role (None of our wingers can replace Mangiapane defensively, we saw that when guys like Dube were tried there), I think with a Kadri acquisition the lines would have to shake out as follows:

Huberdeau - Lindholm - X
X - Kadri - Toffoli

Would be cool if rookies like Phillips and Pellettier could fill those third wheel 'X's - I think they really stylistically fit those roles. Phillips the waterbug speedy sniper, sort of how Duclair was for Florida. Pellettier a balanced secondary playmaker to setup Toffoli, sort of how Pearson was for LA.

Then Lucic - Ruzicka - Dube as a strong final line. Though I guess Lewis would be there

[mile]

More from Seravalli, after hearing his podcast:
- Premature to say that Kadri has a deal with the Islanders, terms haven't been agreed to and deal hasn't been signed
- Kadri is still talking to other teams despite being offered 7x7 by the Islanders
- Flames are still interested in Kadri
- Avs are still in the mix, have offered less term to Kadri than everyone else, something like 4yrs x $6mil range

Maybe the Flames offer is between the Isles and Avs offers?

[Murph]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

A Lucic–Lewis–Rooney line might get outscored 2:1 at five-on-five.

I would imagine most 4th lines get out scored five on five. Honest question - how badly does the average 4th line get outscored?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Considering the one line you can't break up is Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman due to their shutdown role (None of our wingers can replace Mangiapane defensively, we saw that when guys like Dube were tried there), I think with a Kadri acquisition the lines would have to shake out as follows:

Huberdeau - Lindholm - X
X - Kadri - Toffoli

Would be cool if rookies like Phillips and Pellettier could fill those third wheel 'X's - I think they really stylistically fit those roles. Phillips the waterbug speedy sniper, sort of how Duclair was for Florida. Pellettier a balanced secondary playmaker to setup Toffoli, sort of how Pearson was for LA.

Then Lucic - Ruzicka - Dube as a strong final line. Though I guess Lewis would be there

If we get another second line center, I’m pencilling in Pelletier on the third line playing with Backlund and Coleman. I think he’d fit there great and you couldn’t have to better line mates to learn from being a two way player.

I’d have Some form of Dube-Kadri-Tofolli/Mangiapane on the second.

[Toonage]

If the Flames pick up Kadri, I'm betting Toffoli gets a run at 1RW to start the year and Mangiapane/Coleman flank Kadri

Pelletier beside Backlund would be perfect, not sure who gets RW if it isn't Coleman though. Ruzicka? Dube?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557042648338182144

Haven’t watched it for myself yet so not sure how Frank phrased it exactly.

Sounds like nothing at all has changed since last week. NYI, Flames, Avs. And NYI having to make a cap dump move to make the signing, meaning a signing is not really imminent at all.

[mile]

After what Huberdeau said about Treliving wanting to add more players during their dinner, I can't help but think he was referring to Kadri


If it does happen hopefully the term is 5 years.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Murph

I would imagine most 4th lines get out scored five on five. Honest question - how badly does the average 4th line get outscored?

You got me curious. Here are the 90 forwards who logged at least 1000 5v5 minutes over the last three seasons (2019-22), but had the lowest average icetimes 5v5:

Spoiler!

I didn't really run any regressions etc... but just looking at the chart it definitely feels like good teams also have good fourth line players who outscore their opposition.

Side note - yikes Jay Beagle.

[bax]

I assume the Flames have something in the burner for Lucic or Monahan and are just waiting on the Kadri decision to see if they need to pull the trigger or not.

Probably Lucic based on the Bingo news from earlier in the summer.

Gaudreau, Tkachuk out.

Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar in.

3-4 years from now probably doesn’t look great, but it blows my mind the team next season might just be better than the team last season after losing it’s 2 best players.

[Monahammer]

i still think there's a play to be made for Barzal, someone just needs to knock the right offer in for Lou. But Lou's not married to Youth and there were some rumblings stretching into last season that Barzal would be happier moving on from the franchise... if Kadri is most likely signing there I still think there's opportunity.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

I would hope they move Monahan over Lucic although I am guessing Lucic would be the easier one to move.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by mile

More from Seravalli, after hearing his podcast:
- Premature to say that Kadri has a deal with the Islanders, terms haven't been agreed to and deal hasn't been signed
- Kadri is still talking to other teams despite being offered 7x7 by the Islanders
- Flames are still interested in Kadri
- Avs are still in the mix, have offered less term to Kadri than everyone else, something like 4yrs x $6mil range

Maybe the Flames offer is between the Isles and Avs offers?

If Kadri wants to land with a contender - that would make the Flames a lot more appealing than the Isles. Question is will he sacrifice some term, or trade lower AAV for longer term - to play here?

If Kadri was coming here that would make Monahan a 4th line C. If Monahan is healthy the Flames would have amongst the best center depth in the league.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

i still think there's a play to be made for Barzal, someone just needs to knock the right offer in for Lou. But Lou's not married to Youth and there were some rumblings stretching into last season that Barzal would be happier moving on from the franchise... if Kadri is most likely signing there I still think there's opportunity.

Barzal would be an absolute gamechanger for us. I get that he's not a perfect player, but he'd be the best playmaker we've had at centre since Marc Savard. Suddenly a guy like Toffoli would have value on his wing too.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

I'd happily pay for Kadri for maximum 5 years, less than 7.5 mil per. Back half of the contract will be ugly but the first few years will be our window anyway.

Assuming the Islanders rumor is true, why would Kadri take less term and salary from the Flames? Think the Flames have to give on one of those to get him. And since the Islanders are already at max term...

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by mile

More from Seravalli, after hearing his podcast:
- Premature to say that Kadri has a deal with the Islanders, terms haven't been agreed to and deal hasn't been signed
- Kadri is still talking to other teams despite being offered 7x7 by the Islanders
- Flames are still interested in Kadri
- Avs are still in the mix, have offered less term to Kadri than everyone else, something like 4yrs x $6mil range

Maybe the Flames offer is between the Isles and Avs offers?

he may have misspoke, but he clearly said $4M x 6 years

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

if the Islanders are talking 7x7 and the Flames are still in it, I'm nervous.

I'm fine with it.

The Flames have now created a 3-4 year window. I expect them to be awful after that. If the Flames have a bunch of unmovable awful contracts for 2-3 years, that may be the only way to force management into a proper rebuild/tank at that point. Ownership won't allow a rebuild generally, but if they have Kadri/Huberdeau and a bunch of other bad contracts in 4 years, the team will likely be bad and a natural retool/rebuild will occur.

A 7 million x 7 years for Kadri would be great.

Lindholm - Kadri - Backlund is legit centre depth.