2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[getbak]

Originally Posted by AC

Conspiracy theorist in me sees Dube playing centre and Monahan on the 4th line as a way of prepping for the future but also as a way to possibly convince Monahan he'd be better off waiving his NTC if he's previously said no.

Yup, I've been having the same thought since he was bumped down to the 4th line.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Just for the heck of it if the decision is coming down to a choice between Mangiapane or Dube who would you rather move?

Mangiapane is on the verge of a breakout. I think he can score 30 this year and is such a scrappy player. He is also heading to a deal in the $6M per range long term so that is concerning if the team is adding a $10M player.

Dube is not as good as Mangiapane today but could have a similar or higher ceiling. He can play up the middle and has a ton of speed. He is signed for 3 years at a good deal and could be more easily retained down the road as deals like Lucic, and Backlund are done by the time he needs an extension

If the team wants to Re-sign Johnny and Tkachuk then Mangiapane makes the most sense to move. If they want to win it all this year then Dube makes more sense. If they plan to move Tkachuk or not re-sign Johnny than Mangiapane is a must keep.

Some “speculation” from people on Twitter/HF is the Sabres want one of those 2 and the Flames are trying to offer Valimaki or other prospects instead. Could be all BS

Personally, I'd move Dube. Mangiapane is on my "do not trade" list. He brings too many elements that the rest of the roster doesn't have. Love Dube especially since he's a hometown kid, but players like him are littered all over the league whereas the Mangiapane types are not.

Hopefully Buffalo isn't after him though. For the record, I'd do a deal for Dube begrudgingly, but I'd prefer a package that involves a Valimaki and prospects/draft picks. This team needs all the legit quality roster players it can get its hands on.

[topfiverecords]

Once the team proves they’re able to keep winning with Monahan in a reduced role, they’ll make the move for Eichel. Need to be confident that Lindholm-Dube-Backlund can center us to a good standing until Eichel is healed.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Just for the heck of it if the decision is coming down to a choice between Mangiapane or Dube who would you rather move?

Mangiapane is on the verge of a breakout. I think he can score 30 this year and is such a scrappy player. He is also heading to a deal in the $6M per range long term so that is concerning if the team is adding a $10M player.

Dube is not as good as Mangiapane today but could have a similar or higher ceiling. He can play up the middle and has a ton of speed. He is signed for 3 years at a good deal and could be more easily retained down the road as deals like Lucic, and Backlund are done by the time he needs an extension

If the team wants to Re-sign Johnny and Tkachuk then Mangiapane makes the most sense to move. If they want to win it all this year then Dube makes more sense. If they plan to move Tkachuk or not re-sign Johnny than Mangiapane is a must keep.

Some “speculation” from people on Twitter/HF is the Sabres want one of those 2 and the Flames are trying to offer Valimaki or other prospects instead. Could be all BS

I'd rather move Dube, hands down. Worry about the contracts/cap later.

[sa226]

In a perfect world in an Eichel trade, I'd like to see centre in, centre out. Then make up the difference with futures. The Flames don't have a ton of winger depth or D depth to add multiple roster players.

Monahan for salary out. Plus Buffalo's choice of prospect, plus multiple draft picks. I don't care how many and how high the picks are. If you're making a trade for Eichel, you're trying to win in the next 3 years. That's many moons before any 1st rounder in the next couple years is going to be a blip on the radar. Plus, after you try to win, you're probably going to be bad for awhile.

I don't like the idea of pilliaging the roster or the prospect base for Eichel. Valimaki, Kylington, Pelletier, Zary ,Coronato a few on those guys making impacts on entry-level contracts will be important in the near future.

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[Sec214]

Monahan is playing like a guy that requested a trade, had major surgery, wants to stay healthy and start over else where and knows Buffalo is the most likely destination.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by AC

Conspiracy theorist in me sees Dube playing centre and Monahan on the 4th line as a way of prepping for the future but also as a way to possibly convince Monahan he'd be better off waiving his NTC if he's previously said no.

Kind of had the same feeling. I've always thought a trade for Eichel had to involve Monahan for roster/cap purposes. I get that no one would really want to waive to go to the mess of an organization that is Buffalo, but Monahan's next contract and career is basically hanging in the balance.

It doesn't look like he's gonna turn things around here any time soon, so he might as well pack up and head out east where he'll get all the time he wants and rehabilitate his career and reputation. At least he'll be closer to his hometown as well being an Ontarian and what not.

[Classic_Sniper]

Would anyone be opposed to a Jack Eichel for...

Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Zary
1st
2nd

Too many pieces? I would hate to give up Dube, but Eichel is an bonafide, elite #1 center. Just watching his clips, you can see no one else on this team can do the things he can do. Johnny Gaudreau to an extent, but no way his shot even compares to Jack.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Would anyone be opposed to a Jack Eichel for...

Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Zary
1st
2nd

Too many pieces? I would hate to give up Dube, but Eichel is an bonafide, elite #1 center. Just watching his clips, you can see no one else on this team can do the things he can do. Johnny Gaudreau to an extent, but no way his shot even compares to Jack.

I would do that, fax it in.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Would anyone be opposed to a Jack Eichel for...

Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Zary
1st
2nd

Too many pieces? I would hate to give up Dube, but Eichel is an bonafide, elite #1 center. Just watching his clips, you can see no one else on this team can do the things he can do. Johnny Gaudreau to an extent, but no way his shot even compares to Jack.

Too many for MAYBE, I think if this was the Flames offer Buffalo would have taken it months ago.

Realistically I think its: (basically 1 less piece)

Monahan + a 1st
1 of Valamaki/Dube/Mangiapane
1 of Pelletier/Zary/Wolf/Coronato

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by mile

FWIW an HF poster, the same one who said they heard back in July from a source that Calgary had something tabled with Buffalo and was waiting for the ask to drop, just wrote these posts:

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/180743998/

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/180744222/


From seeing their post history, also said a couple days ago that the Sabres ask from the Flames doesn't include anyone on the current Flames top line (Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk)


I don't know this poster or what their source is but just thought it was interesting and wondered if any CPers have heard anything similar. Still not getting my hopes up.

Sounds promising.

Get it done Tre.

Let's balance the Alberta scales with the losers up North. This feels like the natural progression of things after their good start.

[Royle9]

His latest: (guy from HFboards)

"From what I'm hearing, it's basically coming down to Buffalo wanting either Mangi or Dube, and us wanting to send Valimaki or a prospect their way as the final piece."

If I'm Buffalo I'd prefer Mangi + prospect
If I'm Calgary I'd hope they take Dube + Valamaki but I'd hate to lose Dube..
But you're getting Eichel so you have to give to get.

[Wish They Could Win]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Would anyone be opposed to a Jack Eichel for...

Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Zary
1st
2nd

Too many pieces? I would hate to give up Dube, but Eichel is an bonafide, elite #1 center. Just watching his clips, you can see no one else on this team can do the things he can do. Johnny Gaudreau to an extent, but no way his shot even compares to Jack.

That's one piece too much and likely more than they are asking for. Scratch Dube off that list and you are probably in the right ballpark. Just might take Coronato instead of Zary.

[djsFlames]

I'd say
yes to Dube (as much as I love the kid)
no to Mangi (legitimately a top player here now, perhaps the only one who brings secondary offense consistently)
yes to Valimaki (also difficult because he still has potential)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Royle9

His latest: (guy from HFboards)

"From what I'm hearing, it's basically coming down to Buffalo wanting either Mangi or Dube, and us wanting to send Valimaki or a prospect their way as the final piece."

If I'm Buffalo I'd prefer Mangi + prospect
If I'm Calgary I'd hope they take Dube + Valamaki but I'd hate to lose Dube..
But you're getting Eichel so you have to give to get.

If it's Dube they want then just send over the paper work right now.

I like the guy, and it's tough to move the local kid that does a lot of work in the community for the team over the Summer, but you don't blink about moving him for Jack Eichel.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Royle9

His latest: (guy from HFboards)

"From what I'm hearing, it's basically coming down to Buffalo wanting either Mangi or Dube, and us wanting to send Valimaki or a prospect their way as the final piece."

If I'm Buffalo I'd prefer Mangi + prospect
If I'm Calgary I'd hope they take Dube + Valamaki but I'd hate to lose Dube..
But you're getting Eichel so you have to give to get.

He also posted this:

What I've heard, from someone who's been right in the past, as well as someone else who's talked about it online:

Buffalo's ask is:
2022 First round Pick, 2022 Second Round Pick, Sean Monahan, Connor Zary & one of Dillon Dube or Andrew Mangiapane.

Calgary is likely, though just speculation trying:
2022 First round (protected), 2022 Second round Pick, Sean Monahan, Connor Zary/Jakob Pelletier and one of Juuso Valimaki or Oliver Kylington.

From what I understand, Calgary is currently the one closest to getting this done. I doubt Buffalo wants the grievance filed on Eichel's end.

I also heard that originally Matthew Tkachuk was involved in this discussion, but has since mended bridges with the club; with Sutter and Treliving personally reaching out to him.

[Buff]

I think that a defenseman, probably Valimaki or Kylington, is a part of the package for Eichel. You don't sign Zadorov or Gudbranson at those price tags to have them be the 7th defenseman. Maybe their play can be deserving of being a 7th defender (not Gudbranson at the moment though), but the price tag attached to either of them suggest that they're both expected to have a higher role on the team.

They're carrying 8 defenseman, which isn't out of the norm, but it makes more sense to only carry 7 defenseman. 12 out of 32 teams are carrying 8 defensemen at the current time. There is value to have 8 defensemen, especially in the playoffs, but something about the Flames situation tells me that they're waiting on moving one of them out.

So, one of them is being included in a package to go to Buffalo.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by rohara66

He also posted this:

I'm fine with Buffalo's alleged ask if they'll take Dube.

Put the ink to paper.

[Knut]

I am fine with Including Dube if the Flames get a winger back or at least make a separate deal for a winger.

[mile]

Originally Posted by rohara66

He also posted this:

That last part lines up with TBull8's rumour back in the Summer

Great to hear that Tkachuk's relationship with the Flames has been smoothed out


I hope we can keep both Mangiapane and Dube but if Dube needs to be in the package, so be it