Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Actually, I think it’s the fault of Canadians trying to equate a political party… that made a deal hardly different than what a coalition government would look like (a completely normal and acceptable part of our democracy) to deliver part of it’s platform and deliver on promises to those who voted for them… to two political parties they just accused of being nazi-friendly.

Would the NDP have “sold their soul” if they let the Cons form government, despite them being further away from their platform and letting go of any chance of delivering on it? I’m guessing not for the people that use that line, despite it fitting the bill a whole lot more.

I don’t even see how you can call the three leaders “terrible people,” least of all Singh. Hell, I don’t even see how you could accuse PP or Singh of being as corrupt as Trudeau. And you can call them all incompetent, but one of them is winning elections and one of the ones who isn’t is still managing to deliver parts of his platform. Seems pretty competent to me.

The “I’m on a political island!” whining is so tiresome.

Isn’t it amazing what the CPC have accomplished for their constituents.

- no one ever

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633257313133010945

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Actually, I think it’s the fault of Canadians trying to equate a political party… that made a deal hardly different than what a coalition government would look like (a completely normal and acceptable part of our democracy) to deliver part of it’s platform and deliver on promises to those who voted for them… to two political parties they just accused of being nazi-friendly.

Would the NDP have “sold their soul” if they let the Cons form government, despite them being further away from their platform and letting go of any chance of delivering on it? I’m guessing not for the people that use that line, despite it fitting the bill a whole lot more.

I don’t even see how you can call the three leaders “terrible people,” least of all Singh. Hell, I don’t even see how you could accuse PP or Singh of being as corrupt as Trudeau. And you can call them all incompetent, but one of them is winning elections and one of the ones who isn’t is still managing to deliver parts of his platform. Seems pretty competent to me.

The “I’m on a political island!” whining is so tiresome.

I know...whining about it is all the rage though and a real breath of fresh air.

[FlameOn]

Global obtained unredacted copies of the two memos showing CCP was disbursing money to back specific candidates in the 2019 and 2020 elections. The memos were apparently leaked by an intelligence official and stamped and finalized by the privy council, indicating the most senior PMO aides would have read it at the very least. Also, the warnings to government came two months before the 2019 elections.

Global News also learned of an earlier, high-level warning about clandestine funding of China’s “preferred candidates” that came from a bipartisan panel of parliamentarians two months before the 2019 election.

The information came from Canada’s National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, which reviews national security matters and promotes “government-wide accountability.”

The group allegedly involved at least 11 candidates and 13 or more aides. Sources also said an Ontario MPP played a role and that the group included Liberals and Conservatives who were both witting and unwitting participants.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9534893/h...on-candidates/

[FlameOn]

Liberals are now filibustering to block Trudeau's Chief of Staff from testifying in front of the standing committee on procedure and house affairs. Not a good look, Trudeau probably knew.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...f-ea581896d1fd

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633457983509217281

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know...whining about it is all the rage though and a real breath of fresh air.

I like to stay on the bleeding edge of complaining.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633476645553074176

[Fuzz]

So if it was a bipartisan panel, and the group receiving payments included Liberals and Conservatives, are the Conservatives not also holding the bag here? Why wouldn't they have blown the whistle on this, had it been so important? This is exactly the thing the opposition should be calling out, you know, at the time...unless they too were happy to have the funds.

If the NDP are the only clean ones here, they should be pushing hard for some daylight on this one.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633214247017795584

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So if it was a bipartisan panel, and the group receiving payments included Liberals and Conservatives, are the Conservatives not also holding the bag here? Why wouldn't they have blown the whistle on this, had it been so important? This is exactly the thing the opposition should be calling out, you know, at the time...unless they too were happy to have the funds.

If the NDP are the only clean ones here, they should be pushing hard for some daylight on this one.

Yes, absololutely the Cons and Liberals should be holding the bag. This is why a part of me feels that no matter what the committee, they're run by the very parties that should be investigated so there's a taint there.

To me, I do like the mechanisms in the US for investigations. You call in the FBI, you have over site by a senate committee and its all for the most part in the open.

Having the very parties that are being investigate doing the investigations and having the power to fillibuster and deny witnesses and documents feels extremely wrong.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633457983509217281

This is really bad not only for our PM, but his National Security advisor who have been caught what looks like lies.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633476645553074176

I like Garneau and have tremendous respect for him and thought it was very weird that he never really had a strong foothold in this government and felt like he was pushed away from the limelight.

I would hope that he wasn't caught up in the financing aspect of it. But he shouldn't have needed to, he was a safe MP for the Libs in any election. It'll be interesting to see why he's stepping down. Is he stepping away out of protest? Bad Health? He won the Lottery? I doubt we'll ever know, I doubt he would ever blast the party on the way out. And its not a smart move for the Libs to throw him under the bus.

I would have voted for him.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I like Garneau and have tremendous respect for him and thought it was very weird that he never really had a strong foothold in this government and felt like he was pushed away from the limelight.

I would hope that he wasn't caught up in the financing aspect of it. But he shouldn't have needed to, he was a safe MP for the Libs in any election. It'll be interesting to see why he's stepping down. Is he stepping away out of protest? Bad Health? He won the Lottery? I doubt we'll ever know, I doubt he would ever blast the party on the way out. And its not a smart move for the Libs to throw him under the bus.

I would have voted for him.

Your next Liberal Senator...

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I like Garneau and have tremendous respect for him and thought it was very weird that he never really had a strong foothold in this government and felt like he was pushed away from the limelight.

I would hope that he wasn't caught up in the financing aspect of it. But he shouldn't have needed to, he was a safe MP for the Libs in any election. It'll be interesting to see why he's stepping down. Is he stepping away out of protest? Bad Health? He won the Lottery? I doubt we'll ever know, I doubt he would ever blast the party on the way out. And its not a smart move for the Libs to throw him under the bus.

I would have voted for him.

I once liked him, before he became one of the typical slavering toadies of the Trudeau government. He sold out. If he was going to resign out of protest, he would have done it years ago. Now he's just another rat deserting a sinking ship.

Nufy is right. He'll probably at least become a Senator for his loyalty to the Trudeau brand.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I once liked him, before he became one of the typical slavering toadies of the Trudeau government. He sold out. If he was going to resign out of protest, he would have done it years ago. Now he's just another rat deserting a sinking ship.

Nufy is right. He'll probably at least become a Senator for his loyalty to the Trudeau brand.

He's also 74 years old and has served for 15 years. Maybe he's just retiring?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He's also 74 years old and has served for 15 years. Maybe he's just retiring?

probably. I was just thrown off by someone saying they have tremendous respect for the guy.
I can't see where he's deserved much respect since he became an MP.

[Azure]

Its interesting how the slow leak of documents is happening.

Trudeau is being given every chance to deal with this properly, but at this point its obvious he has something to hide. But the longer he delays the more likely it becomes that more info gets leaked.

Hard to see how this doesn't end up as anything other than him resigning or the NDP folding the government. And if the NDP force an election, will the Liberals go with Trudeau again?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its interesting how the slow leak of documents is happening.

Trudeau is being given every chance to deal with this properly, but at this point its obvious he has something to hide. But the longer he delays the more likely it becomes that more info gets leaked.

Hard to see how this doesn't end up as anything other than him resigning or the NDP folding the government. And if the NDP force an election, will the Liberals go with Trudeau again?

To me the slow leak suggests it’s from someone inside the liberal circles as the source.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its interesting how the slow leak of documents is happening.

Trudeau is being given every chance to deal with this properly, but at this point its obvious he has something to hide. But the longer he delays the more likely it becomes that more info gets leaked.

Hard to see how this doesn't end up as anything other than him resigning or the NDP folding the government. And if the NDP force an election, will the Liberals go with Trudeau again?

Hard to see? Really? Trudeau has an incredible ability to survive scandals.