2016 NHL Draft

[Bingo]

not sure I've ever thought of Craig Button as a click bait guy ... I think he has a pretty good circle of scouting buddies both pro and amateur and they hash things out moving his opinion around.

He's always been good for predicting guys that are overrated and should fall, or sleepers that are gaining momentum on the lists leading up to the draft.

His Virtanen thumbs down and Sanheim thumbs up locally were pretty shrewd.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by neo45

Craig's list is usually a good indicator (as good as we can get) of what our scouts are thinking. Last year he had Rasmus at 30, higher than any publication I remember seeing. Rasmus was our first pick. He had Mangiapane going as a second rounder. The year before he had Adam Ollass Mattsson on his list (higher than Virtanen)

Needless to say I love when these lists come out

Yeah, there seems to be some relationship there.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Can't see us taking Keller at #6. There's teams that have good size in their top 6 that could take Keller, we're not on one of them. I mean where would he fit theoretically? We'd have to move him out of position so he'd be our 2nd line LW behind Johnny? Just doesn't make sense. Can't see our management group looking to build around a winger core of Gaudreau, Keller, Shinkaruk and Mangiapane. Way too small. We'd get physically dominated by all the big teams in our division.

I do think his ranking of Nylander may resemble where the Flames have him.

I think for some teams Brown is ahead of the dmen. I don't think we're so desperate for a big centre as to have him as high as some other teams might.

I'm guessing Juolevi and Sergachev could be top 7 for the Flames along with Tkachuk and Dubois.

[Bingo]

man I hate how you end up wanting all of these guys by draft day

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can't see us taking Keller at #6. There's teams that have good size in their top 6 that could take Keller, we're not on one of them. I mean where would he fit theoretically? We'd have to move him out of position so he'd be our 2nd line LW behind Johnny? Just doesn't make sense. Can't see our management group looking to build around a winger core of Gaudreau, Keller, Shinkaruk and Mangiapane. Way too small. We'd get physically dominated by all the big teams in our division.

I do think his ranking of Nylander may resemble where the Flames have him.

I think for some teams Brown is ahead of the dmen. I don't think we're so desperate for a big centre as to have him as high as some other teams might.

I'm guessing Juolevi and Sergachev could be top 7 for the Flames along with Tkachuk and Dubois.

Sergachev is a player who really intrigues me. I wonder if we might take him despite the "Russian factor".

[dammage79]

With Craigslist, he ranks them on how he sees them projecting to NHL'ers. His list is always smashed to bits come draft day. Virtanen comes to mind. It'll be the same thing with Gauthier and Chychrun this year as well.

The bigger surprises to me are #13 Bellows, #14 Rubstov, #18 Howden, #19 McLeod, #29 Jordan Kyrou, #34 Henrik Bjorgstrom. Those guys have risen a fair bit across a lot of publications. And McLeod drops. Mind you I knew that was going to happen, I asked Craig about Brown Vs. McLeod. He doesn't like McLeod.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can't see us taking Keller at #6. There's teams that have good size in their top 6 that could take Keller, we're not on one of them. I mean where would he fit theoretically? We'd have to move him out of position so he'd be our 2nd line LW behind Johnny? Just doesn't make sense. Can't see our management group looking to build around a winger core of Gaudreau, Keller, Shinkaruk and Mangiapane. Way too small. We'd get physically dominated by all the big teams in our division.

I do think his ranking of Nylander may resemble where the Flames have him.

I think for some teams Brown is ahead of the dmen. I don't think we're so desperate for a big centre as to have him as high as some other teams might.

I'm guessing Juolevi and Sergachev could be top 7 for the Flames along with Tkachuk and Dubois.

Why?

There is so much Johnny in Keller's game. It's uncanny. Instead of spending the next ten years arguing if Bennett or Monahan should play with Gaudreau, we should get Bennett his own Gaudreau..

The hands, the speed, the edge work, the vision, they're all there. Keller looks like he might have a better shot. Watch the highlights. He's never getting touched. At all. It's not for lack of going to the high traffic areas - he drives the net and forces the issue.

I do agree, I don't see us building around Shinkaruk or Mangiapane. I think Mangiapane is a 3rd liner and Shinkaruk is a stopgap at best. Neither are a reason to not draft Keller.

[sureLoss]

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
At this stage it would really surprise me if the Oilers trade down from #4 in the draft. Team is going to get a "core" player in that spot

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can't see us taking Keller at #6. There's teams that have good size in their top 6 that could take Keller, we're not on one of them. I mean where would he fit theoretically? We'd have to move him out of position so he'd be our 2nd line LW behind Johnny? Just doesn't make sense. Can't see our management group looking to build around a winger core of Gaudreau, Keller, Shinkaruk and Mangiapane. Way too small. We'd get physically dominated by all the big teams in our division.

I do think his ranking of Nylander may resemble where the Flames have him.

I think for some teams Brown is ahead of the dmen. I don't think we're so desperate for a big centre as to have him as high as some other teams might.

I'm guessing Juolevi and Sergachev could be top 7 for the Flames along with Tkachuk and Dubois.

Have to think Brown is a really good target. Big with above average skills. Seems like a perfect fit for the Flames and how they want to play the game. Intrigued to see some of the names in the 2nd round near where we could be picking. Might be possible to grab some big bodies like Tage Thompson, Taylor Raddysh, Riley Tufte, Max Jones, and Julien Gauthier in that second round. Would make picking a smaller total skill player with the 1st pick almost palatable. seems to support what a steaming mess this draft is after the big three. Dubois and Tkachuk have really been the only ones to maintain their status. This draft is going to be a blast to watch play out. Wish the first two rounds were on the same day.

[Vulcan]

Brown is rising fast. He was no.14 on Central Scouting's midterm list for NA which would put him at 17th overall.

[Bunk]

!!!

Gaudreau-Keller-Mangiapane

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by New Era

Have to think Brown is a really good target. Big with above average skills. Seems like a perfect fit for the Flames and how they want to play the game. Intrigued to see some of the names in the 2nd round near where we could be picking. Might be possible to grab some big bodies like Tage Thompson, Taylor Raddysh, Riley Tufte, Max Jones, and Julien Gauthier in that second round. Would make picking a smaller total skill player with the 1st pick almost palatable. seems to support what a steaming mess this draft is after the big three. Dubois and Tkachuk have really been the only ones to maintain their status. This draft is going to be a blast to watch play out. Wish the first two rounds were on the same day.

Big with above average skills sounds. That sounds like a recipe for a bust. Management said they want to be black and blue. Logan Brown is not and has never been a black and blue type player. People are comparing him to Joe Thornton for some reason, but nobody would acquire Joe thinking he makes a team more black and blue.

I watch Keller and I see a player teams will fear. I watch Nylander and I see a surgeon. I watch Logan Brown and I don't see an offensive catalyst at the NHL level.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bunk

!!!

Gaudreau-Keller-Mangiapane

Nikita Kucherov is 5 ft 11 and 178. (according to hockeydb)
Tyler Johnson is 5 ft 8 and 185.
Jonathan Drouin is 5 ft 11 and 188.

Someone tell the Lightning they're too small to go to back to back conference finals.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
At this stage it would really surprise me if the Oilers trade down from #4 in the draft. Team is going to get a "core" player in that spot

I know it's easy to speculate and probably pretty obvious but I'm thinking tkachuk or d man for the oil.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I know it's easy to speculate and probably pretty obvious but I'm thinking tkachuk or d man for the oil.

The Oilers can't get out of their own way. Juolevi is exactly who they need. Someone to get the puck up to McDavid and prevent things from being a tire fire in the defensive zone.

With that said, the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select, from the London Knights, Matthew Tkachuk.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Button's latest rankings:

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-matth...tters-1.503562

4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Keller
7. Brown
8. Sergachev
9. Juolevi
10. Nylander

Chychrun all the way down to 17
Gauthier down to 43

So Button and Pronman both have Keller in their top 6, just as I have for a long time.

I think we should stay drafting at 6th overall unless we have a chance to move up to Puljujarvi. We are going to get a forward with an elite ceiling at this spot, whether it's Dubois, Keller, Brown, Tkachuk.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Bingo

man I hate how you end up wanting all of these guys by draft day

I just can't believe how much I end up knowing or caring about a group of teenagers I never heard of a year earlier.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I just can't believe how much I end up knowing or caring about a group of teenagers I never heard of a year earlier.

Every June, it's a new season of Power Rangers.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I just can't believe how much I end up knowing or caring about a group of teenagers I never heard of a year earlier.

That's what I love about these NHL draft prospects, man. I get older, they stay the same age.

[Bunk]

I have a good feeling about Keller. It's the Johnny effect - a wizard that does nothing but create offence. Wouldn't mind one of those on each of the top two lines.

People will look at the "Flames model". Having small wizards = cups.