Ongoing Sci-Fi, Comic Book Movie Thread v2

[Cecil Terwilliger]

It's clickbait and it obviously worked. Any actual list based on movie quality would generate far less rage and clicks.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I thought BP2 was worse than AM3. And Love and Thunder is one of the worst comic book movies ever made.

Either way, Marvel is crashing and burning. They peaked with IW and it's been all downhill since. At first it was minor skid and more recently it's been a freefall.

I'd even say Disney as a whole has almost nothing going. They've all but ruined Star Wars. Andor was the lone bright spot in a series of failures where mediocrity has been hailed as success only because the failures are so awful that the ones that aren't seem wildly successful. Their live action remakes are crimes against humanity. Toy Story 5-7 I'm sure will be garbage, along with the rest of their announced sequels.

It's actually both sad and pathetic to see how far both DC and Marvel have fallen.

I wouldn't go this far. Some great star wars content is coming out. Mandalorian is top notch. Obi Wan had some real high points.

The problem with Marvel is that they are trying to plug and play new actors into their formula. Except they've also made the formula worse and more family friendly. RDJ provided actual whit and adult level conversation. That's been drained out and we have dry actors forcing out one liners and quips.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Exactly my point. Obi Wan was mostly bad with a few fan service moments. Mandalorian has a number of good episodes but they’re gonna beat the baby yoga stuff to death. And honestly overall it’s just mediocre with some good sprinkled in.

Marvel has many problems. The stories are bad, the writing is bad, the over reliance on appealing to the broadest audience possible and the lowest common denominator, selling toys, tie ins etc. They have nothing going for them. There’s no charm and character focus. Everything feels so forced. The villains, the side characters/sidekicks, even the heroes. It all feels generic written by committee and by a marketing team who wants to make sure they include something for everyone in every single show/movie.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

I wouldn't go this far. Some great star wars content is coming out. Mandalorian is top notch. Obi Wan had some real high points.

The problem with Marvel is that they are trying to plug and play new actors into their formula. Except they've also made the formula worse and more family friendly. RDJ provided actual whit and adult level conversation. That's been drained out and we have dry actors forcing out one liners and quips.

I wont say anything about Ant-Man 3 because...I havent seen it and I probably wont until it hits D+, but Black Panther 2 was pretty terri-awful.

People rank Love and Thunder worse than this? At least L&T had moments of levity and fun on occasion.

BP2 was just fundamentally bad in almost all respects.

I'll start with the acting because, unless its something egregious I dont typically like blaming actors, but this movie made it hard to tell what the real issue was.

Dont misunderstand me, I am positive the script sucked out loud, these actors were certainly not given much to work with, but they didnt do much with what they did have.

I'm not going to get into a huge diatribe about, but nothing landed in this film. Nothing. Sorry, thats not true, the tribute to T'Challa/Boseman was nice, I enjoyed that.

But even after that though...everyone in the film acted like they were at a funeral but werent sad that the person died, but they know they should be so they're over-compensating?

It was really off-putting.

Anyways, for me that was the worst Marvel movie by a long ways and probably worse than a few DC movies, just a complete, uninspiring, uninteresting mess.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Locke

At least L&T had moments of levity and fun on occasion.

The problem with L&T was that 'levity and fun' was ALL it had for everything, the entire film, pumped up to 11 and then the knob was broken off.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

The problem with L&T was that 'levity and fun' was ALL it had for everything, the entire film, pumped up to 11 and then the knob was broken off.

Yeah, well, I'd take that over 140 minutes of boring.

"Here, let me perform mundane tasks set to music for 10 minutes."

[Nadal Fan]

Y'all are way too harsh on BP2. It wasn't as good as the first but given the hand they were dealt they did the best they could. I don't know many other directors who could deliver a solid movie like that after the star of the film suddenly dies before filming. Outside of Spiderman, it's my favorite MCU film in phase 4.

[GreenLantern]

No BP2 deserves to be crapped on. It was bad.

Like cringe bad, which is very rare for a Marvel movie.

At least Thor 4 was funny, even if to funny in some regards. BP2 just missed the mark on everything, except for some of the fight scenes. Those were well done.

But Shuri can throw on the suit and go toe to toe with Namor? Does this mean T'challa spent basically no time training to fight or did Shuri spend a ton of time training off screen that we never saw? One of those has to be true and is a large hole.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

No BP2 deserves to be crapped on. It was bad.

Like cringe bad, which is very rare for a Marvel movie.

At least Thor 4 was funny, even if to funny in some regards. BP2 just missed the mark on everything, except for some of the fight scenes. Those were well done.

But Shuri can throw on the suit and go toe to toe with Namor? Does this mean T'challa spent basically no time training to fight or did Shuri spend a ton of time training off screen that we never saw? One of those has to be true and is a large hole.

This basically the MO for the MCU right now. Totally untrained people, who are often children, can just throw on a suit and they are now going toe to toe with the adversaries it took the initial heroes years to train to fight against.

They can also develop crazy technology, like trans-dimensional portals, in their spare time with things they find around their bedroom.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by blankall

This basically the MO for the MCU right now. Totally untrained people, who are often children, can just throw on a suit and they are now going toe to toe with the adversaries it took the initial heroes years to train to fight against.

They can also develop crazy technology, like trans-dimensional portals, in their spare time with things they find around their bedroom.

Haha. This basically hit the nail on the head and actually had me laughing out loud.

[Wastedyouth]

I mean, why can't fantastical movies based upon comics be more real, am I right?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I mean, why can't fantastical movies based upon comics be more real, am I right?

Oh good this bull#### again.

Real is not the same thing as reasonable or consistent. Learn the difference. The movies don’t even follow their own internal logic.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I mean, why can't fantastical movies based upon comics be more real, am I right?

It's all about good writing and making the audience care about the hero and their motivations. People thought Iron Man was a great movie, because it had an engaging protagonist who had to struggle and grow to become a hero....now some teenager just throws on a suit and is battling the bad guys....and not so surprisingly these movies suck.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Y'all are way too harsh on BP2. It wasn't as good as the first but given the hand they were dealt they did the best they could.

I disagree, and felt that T'Challa should have been re-cast. They went the worst way they could, when they had a bunch of other options open. Then, after going the worst way they could, they did it in a ham-handed boring manner mashing what should have been multiple films together. They pretty much screwed up every aspect of that movie, and it was a shame.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Oh good this bull#### again.

Real is not the same thing as reasonable or consistent. Learn the difference. The movies don’t even follow their own internal logic.

I will NEVER!

I'm too busy over here building interdimensional portals and ####.

[OutOfTheCube]

I liked Moon Knight and feel like nobody ever talks about it one way or the other. Would be happy to see more of that or him to get his own movie. Helped that it was not tied in to the overall universe at all. Otherwise I'm pretty bored with the whole thing as well.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I mean, why can't fantastical movies based upon comics be more real, am I right?

Sorry to pile on a bit.

But to add to my previous comment, it's almost like two different genres of film. Every fiction film is going to be unrealistic to some degree. The amount of realism often defines the genre film and/or the audience of the film.

No I do not want my superhero movies to be 100% realistic. Do I want to watch a movie about a 14 year old who goes to school and plays with their friends but still somehow also has the ability to design laser weapons and portals in their room? No thanks. Maybe a ten year old might? But then a 10 year old probably doesn't want to watch a movie with significant character development, dialogue, and philosophical/scientific musings.

That's a major problem with Marvel. They are trying to appeal to too wide of an audience. That's been a major problem with superhero franchises from the get go. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin stunk because they wanted to make the movies more family friends while still appealing to the Batman fans. They ended up doing a horrible job at both. The MCU is falling into that same trap.

[Nadal Fan]

Maybe it won't suck ...... maybe

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628875035061673984

[Yeah_Baby]

I mean, I have no interest in the Legendarium becoming the MCU with WB having diminishing returns on the TERF Wizard franchise.

[Nadal Fan]

WB is flat broke right now and is betting everything on the Flash being a hit. Entertainment insiders have said they have no cash that's why there has been no promotion for Magic Mike 3 (which is already out) and Shazam 2 (which comes out in 3 weeks). If Flash bombs then WB is absolutely toast.