I understand it needs to look like she is at least partially responsible for his death, but just the whole way that entire scene played out was difficult for me. So I guess specifically everything about the drowning. If some fishing boat has struck him, no problem. Or something. That somehow this 4yo kid hauled this dinghy past a beach full of people out into the water, or that 'a great swimmer' swam out to save the kid but couldn't make it back, or at least stay afloat long enough to be rescued. I didn't buy that they would just quit CPR after 2 minutes. Was just disappointed with it, while understanding that the only point was implicating her.
Not sure a spoiler, but just to be safe:
Aside from that, do we know that these scenes are the fictional imagination of momma, based on the photos - or are we watching what really happened without yet knowing what exactly was written?
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Fair enough. I get that the scene itself felt a bit unreal.
I think what we saw, the whole thing, is what is in the book. Which is based on the thoughts of a grieving mother. I think there is a more sinister side to the story that Blanchette hasnt gotten out (an frustrating issue with the writing)
But I think the drowning probably played out that way, or will have.
Episode 5 wasnt great.
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The news room dust up felt really forced and unrealistic. More frustrating than anything though. If Blanchette has a story to tell, its tough watching her not do it.
And while she is supposedly this "saint" of a person, everyone seems to have turned on her pretty quick by merely reading a fictional portrayal of someone like her?
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Been watching The Vow on HBO. It's a documentary-series about the NXIVM cult and it's bonkers. Big Vancouver connection too which I didn't realize outside of knowing Alison Mack was involved.
Been watching The Vow on HBO. It's a documentary-series about the NXIVM cult and it's bonkers. Big Vancouver connection too which I didn't realize outside of knowing Alison Mack was involved.
I find cults absolutely fascinating. But I just can't wrap my head around it.
"We're going to Brand you."
Really? Look at the time! Where has it gone? I must be going now.
Here's your Kool-Aid....
"Ya know...I'm more of a McDonald's 'Orange Drink' kind of guy. Although, I am impressed that Kool-Aid manages to bounce back from some of these atrocious advertising disasters."
Do you want to catch a UFO to Outer-Space?
"I'm good actually. Yeah. I quite like it here."
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I find cults absolutely fascinating. But I just can't wrap my head around it.
"We're going to Brand you."
Really? Look at the time! Where has it gone? I must be going now.
Here's your Kool-Aid....
"Ya know...I'm more of a McDonald's 'Orange Drink' kind of guy. Although, I am impressed that Kool-Aid manages to bounce back from some of these atrocious advertising disasters."
Do you want to catch a UFO to Outer-Space?
"I'm good actually. Yeah. I quite like it here."
Honestly I think the series is an awesome glimpse into how/why it happens and is worth watching for that alone. Because early on in the process they recruited a known documentary film maker as one of their top members who documented everything, and then defected, so some of the footage is incredible and there are a lot of recorded conversations between members. You can certainly see how people are sort of slowly sucked in and then held onto with control mechanisms (mostly blackmail in some form) until they just submit to this being life and it has to be the right choice because I'm smart and I couldn't be a part of something like that. And really, how the actual dangerous parts of the cult are kept tight knit while this whole "self-improvement" seminar side actually is helpful to some people (some people actually 'cured' of Tourettes). And so those people that got something positive out of it sort of are like "okay, yeah that was bad but...was it?" And you can see how even the leader can rationalize it as like a challenging part of their growth.
The branding thing is crazy because he essentially convinced the women to do it to each other and that they were going to build an Illuminati-style group but for women, so that going against it was anti-feminist. It was also a non-consensual procedure for basically all of them.
Anyways it's worth the watch. All the above is pretty upfront so it's not really giving anything away. Bottom line, if you find yourself at a self-help seminar be extremely vigilant. If they start introducing any sort of level hopping student/coach scenario GTFO.
Season 2 of The Devils Hour just came out on Prime. I really enjoyed Season 1 and it looks like it's picking up, literally, where it left off. It's a little bit detective drama, psychological thriller and metaphysics wrapped in Britishness.
Honestly I think the series is an awesome glimpse into how/why it happens and is worth watching for that alone. Because early on in the process they recruited a known documentary film maker as one of their top members who documented everything, and then defected, so some of the footage is incredible and there are a lot of recorded conversations between members. You can certainly see how people are sort of slowly sucked in and then held onto with control mechanisms (mostly blackmail in some form) until they just submit to this being life and it has to be the right choice because I'm smart and I couldn't be a part of something like that. And really, how the actual dangerous parts of the cult are kept tight knit while this whole "self-improvement" seminar side actually is helpful to some people (some people actually 'cured' of Tourettes). And so those people that got something positive out of it sort of are like "okay, yeah that was bad but...was it?" And you can see how even the leader can rationalize it as like a challenging part of their growth.
The branding thing is crazy because he essentially convinced the women to do it to each other and that they were going to build an Illuminati-style group but for women, so that going against it was anti-feminist. It was also a non-consensual procedure for basically all of them.
Anyways it's worth the watch. All the above is pretty upfront so it's not really giving anything away. Bottom line, if you find yourself at a self-help seminar be extremely vigilant. If they start introducing any sort of level hopping student/coach scenario GTFO.
Any organization that has a dude at the top banging all the hot chicks should be eyed with supreme suspicion by everyone. Particularly mothers bringing their daughters in...
Any organization that has a dude at the top banging all the hot chicks should be eyed with supreme suspicion by everyone. Particularly mothers bringing their daughters in...
Of course. But if you have a few thousand people scattered across different locations and you only see this guy once a year or maybe even not at all in person, you can easily just think it's an attempt to discredit it. It was also the early-mid 2000's when it really blew up, it's not like the internet was super prevalent then you couldn't as easily google (insert cult leaders name here) and find dirt. And it's also not like some of his victims didn't go to authorities, they just woefully failed women as usual.
In this instance it seems like the actual sexual abuse side of it was kept within a relatively small group and there's so much shame and pressure built into it that no one shares anything with each other. Although if you ARE privy to how this dude was living, it's tough to see how rational people weren't at least extremely suspicious.
It's strange to hear them describe the hold this guy has. Like he's not handsome and he's just talking out his ass most of the time, and people describe having sat with him for 15 minutes and it actually being hours and it makes you wonder about cult leaders in general and people like Rasputin etc.. like how are they actually able to hypnotize people like this? Are they doing it on purpose or is it just something that they do? it doesn't really seem practiced, it's just a narcissistic psychopathy that people are drawn to for some reason.
I remember my mother after our parents split dragging us to this course called Choices that she was into for a little while and it just gives me the willies the similarities in structure. There was nothing sinister about the course itself at its base level, but I think if you get into the top core few dozen of any group like that, there might be some funky s***. And really I'm skeptical of any group that claims to have a "method" that's solely going to work to improve peoples' lives.
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Fair enough. I get that the scene itself felt a bit unreal.
I think what we saw, the whole thing, is what is in the book. Which is based on the thoughts of a grieving mother. I think there is a more sinister side to the story that Blanchette hasnt gotten out (an frustrating issue with the writing)
But I think the drowning probably played out that way, or will have.
Episode 5 wasnt great.
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The news room dust up felt really forced and unrealistic. More frustrating than anything though. If Blanchette has a story to tell, its tough watching her not do it.
And while she is supposedly this "saint" of a person, everyone seems to have turned on her pretty quick by merely reading a fictional portrayal of someone like her?
Agree completely.
I still like this show a lot.
But it's cracking
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