2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Good luck with that. Panarin is a great offensive winger but great offensive wingers don't make 10M+ a year.

In most cases you're probably right, unfortunately Patrick Kane says hi:

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/patrick-kane

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Good luck with that. Panarin is a great offensive winger but great offensive wingers don't make 10M+ a year.

I'd sign him to a 3 year bridge contract. $5M per.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Royle9

In most cases you're probably right, unfortunately Patrick Kane says hi:

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/patrick-kane

Good catch.

Patrick Kane is clearly an exception to the general rule.

He was an important piece in 3 Stanley Cup victories.

He also upped his play come playoff time. IIRC, his first 2 hat tricks in the NHL came in playoff games the Hawks eliminated Vancouver and the Blues.

Of course, with the cap steadily rising, $10M isn't as much as it used to be.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Good catch.

Patrick Kane is clearly an exception to the general rule.

He was an important piece in 3 Stanley Cup victories.

He also upped his play come playoff time. IIRC, his first 2 hat tricks in the NHL came in playoff games the Hawks eliminated Vancouver and the Blues.

Of course, with the cap steadily rising, $10M isn't as much as it used to be.

And as soon as Kane got that contract, the team started to have difficulties. he wasn't the problem, but his salary was a big part. Since then, they have lost in round one twice and didn't make it last year.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I am not advocating for Nylander. But acquiring him allows you to move Lindholm to C giving you much the outcome.

It would let you pair Gaudreau/Monahan, Tkachuk/Lindholm, Backlund/Frolik, and still have Nylander, Neal, and Bennett available to round up your top 9.

The biggest issue with the Flames (outside Smith's play) at the moment is they are top heavy at forward. When the top line doesn't produce we don't have enough secondary scoring. Which we saw during the California trip.

We just can't afford Nylander.

Lindholm is just as much the center of that top line as Monahan, with the amount of faceoffs he takes and his defensive responsibilities. If you want another center then go after one but do not move Elias off of that top reason at all.

[Enoch Root]

I look at Kane (and Toews) as having earned bonus money for winning cups. If you consider it $500k per cup, then it's an $8.5M contract (which is fair), plus the bonus.

I have no problem with Kane making $10M, and when these other players being discussed win 3 cups, they can get paid too.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And as soon as Kane got that contract, the team started to have difficulties. he wasn't the problem, but his salary was a big part. Since then, they have lost in round one twice and didn't make it last year.

Ya, well maybe that had more to do with giving away Leddy and Teuraveinen and giving out expensive contracts to older players such as Seabrook and Bickell.

There was enough talent on that team, and cap room to keep them... they just chose very poorly.

True point, the excess cap hit to Kane and Toews diminishes the room for error in making those choices, but that team could have still been very good with a more disciplined decision making process.

[dissentowner]

Guys like Kane and Ovechkin are Art Ross contending franchise players so they can command those kind of dollars. Panarin, not even close.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Guys like Kane and Ovechkin are Art Ross contending franchise players so they can command those kind of dollars. Panarin, not even close.

Panarin may not be close, but if he makes it to UFA next summer he'll be the biggest fish in the pond. To land him, some GM will decide to chum the water with a Brinks truck.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Guys like Kane and Ovechkin are Art Ross contending franchise players so they can command those kind of dollars. Panarin, not even close.

It’s actually pretty close. Panarin is nearly a PPG player in the NHL. If he hits the open market I think 10 million is very possible. Kane and Panarin are very similar players.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And as soon as Kane got that contract, the team started to have difficulties. he wasn't the problem, but his salary was a big part. Since then, they have lost in round one twice and didn't make it last year.

I think their 10.5 million dollar ~50 pt top line center has been more of an issue than Kane's contract.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I dunno. Hoffman is a good player but there's a lot of baggage there. Flames and Panthers had similar records last year and now Florida is struggling...

No, they're not really. They struggled with their starting goalie on the sidelines, and their backup won only one game in October. Mike Hoffman has 19 points in 18 games.

[Macindoc]

Kane's multiple cup rings say no. There's more to being a repeated champion than mere counting stats. But you already know that, so I'm not sure why you're trying to make the comparison.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And as soon as Kane got that contract, the team started to have difficulties. he wasn't the problem, but his salary was a big part. Since then, they have lost in round one twice and didn't make it last year.

Actually, Kane signed his contract a year before he was set to become a UFA. So, as soon as Kane signed the contract, Chicago won the Stanley Cup. But your point is valid. Chicago may have won the SC that year, but they weren't close to the same team that won their previous two. Their defense was already starting to age out, and guys like Sharp had hit the wall.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Actually, Kane signed his contract a year before he was set to become a UFA. So, as soon as Kane signed the contract, Chicago won the Stanley Cup. But your point is valid. Chicago may have won the SC that year, but they weren't close to the same team that won their previous two. Their defense was already starting to age out, and guys like Sharp had hit the wall.

My point was about the impact of his salary (and, yes, Toews as well - I just mentioned Kane because he was referred to before). So the signing date wasn't the factor, the cap hit when it happened was. And, yeah, they paid Seabrook way too much. And gave Keith ridiculous term.

They had to lose a lot of the supporting cast and got scared when Teravainen caught fire. And I find the Panarin/Saad situation weird.

[sureLoss]

Kings have traded former Flames prospect Stepan Falkovsky to the Wild for Pavel Jenys.

Both players have been in the ECHL for this season.

[Andrew]

Burke says sigalet is a good coach

[sureLoss]

Dano back on waivers.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Dano (COL) and Josh Brown (FLA) on waivers

[Oling_Roachinen]

Treliving's probably ready to get his fix on another 2013 first round draft pick. The couple month withdrawal has him jonesing pretty hard I'm sure.

[Nelson]

Per Peter Loubardias, Michael Stone is not on the ice for practice this morning.