The Democratic Party is generally supported in the voting booth by minorities. For Hillary--or any mainstream Democratic Party candidate--to win that demographic is not surprising, and because that demographic is highly unlikely to vote for the Republican candidate, I believe that winning their support is relatively meaningless.
Bernie, however, is getting those who typically don't vote (in any election, for any party) to vote for a candidate in the Democratic nomination. That is why I think that Bernie has changed the demographics.
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He's tried to use the Democratic Party to be the nominee, while not actually appealing to most of the base of that party. Shockingly he's done poorly with that approach.
I am rather surprised that his screeds against the 1% and his promises of free tuition and whatever else hasn't resonated more with minority groups.
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The Dems dominated the last two elections without a surge of new independents.
Presuming that you are referring to the last two Presidential elections, I submit that the Democrats won the first one because of Republican (and Bush) fatigue, and the second one because the Republicans had a generally unlikeable and unrelatable candidate.
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Wow, so they've rigged a 2.5 million vote advantage to her?
Having more total votes simply doesn't matter in the end. What ultimately matters is winning the electoral college. Hillary may be able to do so, but I think that Sanders would have a better chance of success, and I think that is his underlying (but likely unstated) argument to the superdelegates.
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But when it's Hillary, must be a conspiracy.
Well, she's certainly been involved in, or claimed to be the subject of, several of them....
"Intelligent people" are going to become an endangered demographic if this guy somehow gets elected. I'm not suggesting he'll go after "them" -- I'm suggesting they'll commit suicide en masse.
Forgot to mention "with women". Women are half of the electorate.
Slightly more, actually, if memory serves.
And it doesn't stop there. Trump is unpopular with virtually every key swing demographic. For example: the GOP has historically done very well among white college-educated voters, winning that group by about 55-45. However, Trump is unpopular with that group relative to his Republican peers. He is also very unpopular among latinos, women, african-americans, the list goes on.
It is frankly astonishing--he appears to be unstoppable now in terms of the GOP, despite being by all appearances utterly unelectable in a general election.
Of course, the other candidate that I would normally brand "unelectable" is Clinton... so I suppose if Trump is her best hope at the White House, it is fair to say that the converse is also true.
The Democratic Party is generally supported in the voting booth by minorities. For Hillary--or any mainstream Democratic Party candidate--to win that demographic is not surprising, and because that demographic is highly unlikely to vote for the Republican candidate, I believe that winning their support is relatively meaningless.
Bernie, however, is getting those who typically don't vote (in any election, for any party) to vote for a candidate in the Democratic nomination. That is why I think that Bernie has changed the demographics.
But he hasn't changed the demographics of the Democratic Party. He's an independent running as a Democrat. He's winning the traditional base of an independent candidate (obviously, independents). He's been thoroughly dominated by the Democratic base. In essence these people don't support anything it appears, just Bernie. So really they're not even relevant to the electoral process, unless they vote Trump or Jill Stein. Otherwise they're vote won't matter, as it didn't in 2008 or 2012.
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I am rather surprised that his screeds against the 1% and his promises of free tuition and whatever else hasn't resonated more with minority groups.
Actions matter most. As much as Bernie supporters have trashed Hillary has being an enemy of minorities (and they have), minorities themselves have generally looked at Hillary's track record of getting things done for them, and Bernie's track record of never getting anything done for them...and shockingly went with the candidate who got things done. One of the things minorities like about "insider" politicians like Hillary is they know how to get things done. Bernie might not even be fully backed by the Dems if he wins (lots of moderates and conservative Dems). Easy choice for minorities.
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Presuming that you are referring to the last two Presidential elections, I submit that the Democrats won the first one because of Republican (and Bush) fatigue, and the second one because the Republicans had a generally unlikeable and unrelatable candidate.
And what do we have in this cycle? Arguably two of the least likable candidates ever in Trump or Cruz, one who's guaranteed to be the nominee. So the same applies here as it did in 2008 and 2012, unpopular, unlikable, unrelatable GOP candidate awaits.
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Having more total votes simply doesn't matter in the end. What ultimately matters is winning the electoral college. Hillary may be able to do so, but I think that Sanders would have a better chance of success, and I think that is his underlying (but likely unstated) argument to the superdelegates.
Hillary, after 30 years, is so deep in the #### they've tried to bury her in she's started to grow mushrooms in there. Bernie is the cleanest candidate I've ever seen run in terms of never being vetted ever Because before this who cared about an independent Vermont senator who accomplished little to nothing legislatively? He's in for a billion dollar blitz against him, and he'll be easy to paint as anti-American given some of his past statements/stances. Beyond that, he can't even beat her in big swing states (Ohio, Virginia, Florida) in a Dem primary. At best you can say he has as good a chance to win the electoral college as she does, but that's dubious at best to claim.
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Well, she's certainly been involved in, or claimed to be the subject of, several of them....
Yeah...but those are right wing loon talking points. When I see more and more Bernie supporters looking to the Ann Coulters of the world to pump Bernie up and to find points to slam Hillary on....ugh. Maybe this is the real revolution of Bernie: The birth of the left-wing version of the Tea Party.
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Actions matter most. As much as Bernie supporters have trashed Hillary has being an enemy of minorities (and they have), minorities themselves have generally looked at Hillary's track record of getting things done for them, and Bernie's track record of never getting anything done for them...and shockingly went with the candidate who got things done.
Serious question, but what has Hillary specifically done for minorities (namely, Latinos and blacks)?
I honestly am not aware of anything.
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Bernie is the cleanest candidate I've ever seen run in terms of never being vetted ever Because before this who cared about an independent Vermont senator who accomplished little to nothing legislatively?
The only thing I am currently sure of is that America's next president will be significantly worse than Obama.
That would probably be the case no matter who was a candidate. I mean this is principally a hockey forum and when we speak of hockey we frequently speak of "Generational Talent"... as far as modern U.S. political candidates go Obama was generational talent.
It is frankly astonishing--he appears to be unstoppable now in terms of the GOP, despite being by all appearances utterly unelectable in a general election.
I'm not so sure he is "unstoppable". According to 538's analysis he's gotten 95% of his target to get to the nomination but 95% isn't 100% and I just don't see Trump walking out of a contested convention as the nominee. Either he walk into the convention with an outright majority of delegates obligated to vote for him or he loses.
Serious question, but what has Hillary specifically done for minorities (namely, Latinos and blacks)?
I honestly am not aware of anything.
She's done a lot of advocacy for minority and low income (i.e mostly minority) causes as First Lady. She's connected with community leaders in the AA community, built good relationships, worked behind the scenes .That's why they're loyal to her. The only thing really I've heard from Bernie supporters as to what he's done was getting arrested at a civil rights rally in the 60's....that's literally it. And they've used fake or disproved pictures trying to prove that point too.
This actually proves my point. He mostly tacks on Amendments to larger bills, and was really never involved in any legislation that would be considered "signature pieces". My point that no one knows anything about Bernie is still very true right now. He is at his ceiling for numbers, and the floor below him could be extremely steep once the GOP goes to town on him. Remember he's only still in this race because of Hillary's likability, if Biden were running this race would already be over. Most people haven't looked past the surface on Bernie. I bet he gets bludgeoned pretty badly by the GOP machine once they do look past the surface.
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Why is that statement objectionable? Am I missing something? I agree with him.
He flat-out said he didn't know who has been accused of what, or what alleged crime is. You'd generally would end with "so I can't comment" after that, but nope, he made his own family potential victims of something he doesn't know anything about.
Furthering the nonsense, I saw some Trump stooge on CNN say something like "she was carrying a highlighter which is a syringe-like shape..." which is even more idiotic.
They will say anything if they think it will get them points. It makes them look like morons. Which I'm starting to get the impression they are.
Oh wait, Cruz on CNN now saying Obama couldn't stop his ball game with communist dictators to say something tough about kicking terrorist ass.
I want the conspiracy theory about Trump being a Clinton plant to be true so badly I can barely stand it.
I like to imagine that he's essentially Zaphod Beeblebrox: he had some great plan to figure out what's really going on and fix the country, but he knew that no sane person can ever get elected as president, so he had part of his brain removed when he decided to run.
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One of the better descriptions of whatever it is Trump does when he speaks (like now) is it's a "stream of (un) consciousness", but I'm starting to legitimately wonder if he doesn't actually have some brain damage or some other disorder. It's a different language than English when he speaks, or maybe he's just OD'ing on his own ego and this is what it sounds like. It's funny because of the absurdity of it, but it's gotta be a transcript writers nightmare.
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The "sensible" one, Kasich, on this story about Trump's campaign manager grabbing that reporter's arm:
"I don't know this guy, I don't know exactly what happened, my understanding is that he grabbed somebody, and that's frankly totally and completely inappropriate. It could have been one of my daughters for that matter"
It truly is a race to the bottom. These guys are so full of ####. How does anyone take anything they say seriously?
Kasich sure didn't seem to care about women who "could've been one of his daughters for that matter" when he decided to defund Planned Parenthood in Ohio.
I can't quite grasp the concept of a woman in her right might voting republican.
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