2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You roll 3 lines all the same during 5v5 play. Players get their extra minutes during Power Play/Penalty Kill.

No team does that, and with line matching (presumably Backlund) you can't.

You play 3 lines the same you keep your best players off the ice for maybe 5 extra minutes per game.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That's kind of nutty. I much prefer:

Hall · Backlund · Tkachuk
Gaudreau · Lindholm · Laine
Mangiapane · Bennett · Dube

I love Backlund, absolutely love him, but this team isn't going anywhere with him as our #!C. I think if we are to be a contender we need Monahan as our #2C, where he would be considered an elite #2C and Backlund as our #3C, where, again, he would be an elite #3.

Now, how do we achieve that? We get an elite #1C. How do we do that? I have no idea, but I feel we can either draft one which is definitely impossible at 19 or we can trade for one which is only slightly less possible. Gaudreau + seems like our only hope to me. I like Johnny just fine, but I don't see any other way.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I love Backlund, absolutely love him, but this team isn't going anywhere with him as our #!C...

Well, yeah. But that wasn't really the question posed to which I was responding. The question was rather restricted to what the Flames lineup would look like in the event of a Monahan for Laine swap.

On a related note, Backlund would probably be the best #3 centre in the entire league, given that he is already an above-average #2 centre.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Cheveldayoff walked up to Treliving and offered Laine for Monahan would you guys do it?

Note that this isn't a rumor, just a random thought I had and wondered how CP felt about it.

We can try and offer sheet/trade for Cirelli to grab a top 6 center again. Laine could be pretty deadly with Gaudreau.

Yes.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If the Laine/Monahan trade went down, I don't see any problem sitting down with Lindholm and asking him to play as a top 6 C for a year to see how it goes. If the experiment doesn't work, then Calgary would need to find a way to acquire a C for 2021/2022. It would be interesting if he improved as a player as a full time C.

You can go that route or try figuring out how to acquire Domi at a reasonable price and roll with Tkachuk - Domi/Lindholm - Domi/Lindholm, with Domi and Lindholm sharing draws on their strong side. Then roll with Gaudreau - Backlund - Laine as the 1B line.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No team does that, and with line matching (presumably Backlund) you can't.

You play 3 lines the same you keep your best players off the ice for maybe 5 extra minutes per game.

Point: 15:34
Kucherov: 15:18
Cirelli: 14:41
Stamkos: 14:37
Palat: 14:02
Killorn: 13:07
Johnson: 12:29
Gourde: 11:21
Pacquette: 11:07
Maroon: 10:52
Joseph: 9:39
Verhaeghe: 9:05

Vs.

Gaudreau: 15:52
Tkachuk: 15:28
Monahan: 15:12
Backlund: 14:56
Lindholm: 14:47
Mangiapane: 13:10
Ryan: 12:08
Dube: 11:58
Lucic: 11:47
Bennett: 11:42
Rieder: 9:26
Jankowski: 8:56

Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Backlund, Lindholm should all lose 30 seconds as it stands.

Take 30-60 seconds off Monahan's total and put Dube in his spot. Take Jankowski's 8:56 a night and give it to Lucic. Then take Lucic's 11:47 and add 30 seconds, and give it to Laine. Take Ryan's 12:08 and add 60 seconds and give it to Hall.

No team does it because no one runs three lines that have that much fire power - but the model is Tampa Bay. We're playing our top players too much if you compare them to Tampa's, and that's because Tampa's depth is so good. That's where we need to get to.

[bax]

What do people think of Simmonds? Rough couple years for sure, but I think he could be a sneaky good add for a playoff team if you can get him on a relatively cheap 1 year deal.

In Lebrun's latest article Simmonds mentions that he's finally 100% healthy for the first time in two years and has had a great off-season. He also guarantees that whoever signs him will get more than they are paying for. Just turned 32 in August so getting up there, but not necessarily over the hill. Could be a surprise bounce back candidate.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by bax

What do people think of Simmonds? Rough couple years for sure, but I think he could be a sneaky good add for a playoff team if you can get him on a relatively cheap 1 year deal.

In Lebrun's latest article Simmonds mentions that he's finally 100% healthy for the first time in two years and has had a great off-season. He also guarantees that whoever signs him will get more than they are paying for. Just turned 32 in August so getting up there, but not necessarily over the hill. Could be a surprise bounce back candidate.

Two seasons as a sub-30 point player that is not good on the defensive end of the ice.

Seems like a trainwreck to me!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by bax

What do people think of Simmonds? Rough couple years for sure, but I think he could be a sneaky good add for a playoff team if you can get him on a relatively cheap 1 year deal.

In Lebrun's latest article Simmonds mentions that he's finally 100% healthy for the first time in two years and has had a great off-season. He also guarantees that whoever signs him will get more than they are paying for. Just turned 32 in August so getting up there, but not necessarily over the hill. Could be a surprise bounce back candidate.

He’s a great bottom 6 add if his price tag is low. Which I imagine it would be.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bax

What do people think of Simmonds? Rough couple years for sure, but I think he could be a sneaky good add for a playoff team if you can get him on a relatively cheap 1 year deal.

In Lebrun's latest article Simmonds mentions that he's finally 100% healthy for the first time in two years and has had a great off-season. He also guarantees that whoever signs him will get more than they are paying for. Just turned 32 in August so getting up there, but not necessarily over the hill. Could be a surprise bounce back candidate.

I wasn't for acquiring him, but I am for signing him to a cheap deal.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I wasn't for acquiring him, but I am for signing him to a cheap deal.

I agree. As long as it is cheap and he isn’t taking a younger, better players spot that could use 4th line minutes with the big club to develop.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I agree. As long as it is cheap and he isn’t taking a younger, better players spot that could use 4th line minutes with the big club to develop.

Even if it's a 4th line role Ryan would whip him up into shape. Plus, Simmonds would be a great PP2 (or even PP1) option by screening the goalie.

[1qqaaz]

I cannot even describe how against a Simmonds signing I would be.

[Roof-Daddy]

Haha. If the Flames sign Simmonds that will be one hell of a thread to read.

[868904]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If the Laine/Monahan trade went down, I don't see any problem sitting down with Lindholm and asking him to play as a top 6 C for a year to see how it goes. If the experiment doesn't work, then Calgary would need to find a way to acquire a C for 2021/2022. It would be interesting if he improved as a player as a full time C.

You can go that route or try figuring out how to acquire Domi at a reasonable price and roll with Tkachuk - Domi/Lindholm - Domi/Lindholm, with Domi and Lindholm sharing draws on their strong side. Then roll with Gaudreau - Backlund - Laine as the 1B line.

I know it was just a fan on here spitballing but that Mony for Laine trade does make sense on a lot of levels.

Jets need a centreman and they get a good second line centre with size with greater control too, that's a big thing for a team like Winnipeg which has trouble attracting and keeping free agents. A 1/2 punch of Scheifle and Monahan is pretty damn good if you ask me.

Flames need a top 6 RW. Move Lindholm to centre, I think he's the best centreman this team has anyways. Have him centre Gaudreau and Laine. Can you imagine Johnny setting Laine up. The one thing Laine has that Monahan doesn't is that he can shoot it from anywhere. Monahan is really only dangerous in the high slot. Laine can one time it from anywhere in the offensive zone. He would give Gaudreau a tremendous target to work with.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Laine
Mangiapane-Backlund-Tkachuk

I think Lindholm at centre is better than Monahan at centre. That's two Selke quality centremen in your top 6.

If you sign Hall too, look out, put him with Backlund and Tkachuk and push Mangiapane to the bottom 6.

[SuperMatt18]

If we didn't have Lucic on the roster then I'd be okay with Simmonds on a 1 year $1m signing to provide some size and grit.

But with our current roster composition I'm not sure I'd want to add a slow forward, that's on the decline.

[Toonage]

Good time as any to remind you all that the Flames have tried to acquire Simmonds. Twice.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Good time as any to remind you all that the Flames have tried to acquire Simmonds. Twice.

I believe both times were before Lucic was on this roster though.

And also when Simmonds was younger.

[ComixZone]

More dates of interest from an article on Lundqvist’s future with the Rangers:

The Rangers must buy him out and they know it. They must do the deed between when the buyout window opens Sept. 25 and closes Oct. 8 (or six days after the Stanley Cup final if that is the later date).

So,

NHL Draft: October 6th and 7th
NHL Free Agency: October 9th
NHL Buyout Window: September 25th - October 8th

[FlamesAddiction]

I could see a bottom feeder signing him in hopes that he is productive enough to trade to a team at the deadline.