Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Do us and yourself a favour and stop equating the Oilers decade with the black hawks or penguins. If they were in the record books for awfulness, then guess what, we would remember, and I'd point that out often. Just so happens, the oilers are! Another reason to stop comparing yourselves to them is that the oilers are not yet relevant as contenders and it is a bad look to think this is simply a given.

I was listening to, I think it might have been, NHL Radio on XM, and they posed the question. Which streak would be harder to imitate in today's NHL? Red Wings consecutive year playoff streak or Oilers consecutive playoff miss streak. The consensus was it takes a lot to be as bad as the Oilers are. Most teams get lucky a few times every decade to be in. They think a team will make the playoff 20 straight times before a team misses for a straight decade.

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I was listening to, I think it might have been, NHL Radio on XM, and they posed the question. Which streak would be harder to imitate in today's NHL? Red Wings consecutive year playoff streak or Oilers consecutive playoff miss streak. The consensus was it takes a lot to be as bad as the Oilers are. Most teams get lucky a few times every decade to be in. They think a team will make the playoff 20 straight times before a team misses for a straight decade.

The Oilers not only went a decade without making the playoffs but also had 4 first overall picks. Drafted in the top 7 selection in 8 of the 10 years.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

Cap will take a hit this summer when Draisaitl get $6.5 million AAV. Then McDavid will cost $10.5 million AAV after next year. They will need someone to step up and take a contract (Eberle or Nugent-Hopkins to be traded).

The only way that the Oilers get a 10.4 million dollar deal is on a shorter term deal.

He's played himself into max cap space now. I think the lowest he gets is 12 million bucks, he's going to feel a lot of NHLPA pressure to set the marker for the next generation of star players.

Draisaitl is probably going to get about 7 million.

In this day and age of most teams being near the cap, nobody is going to take RNH's contract straight across, he's not worth 6 million bucks. Its likely that the Oilers will either have to eat a share of his contract, or take a contract back.

I would think that Maroon has probably played himself to a 4 to 4.5 million demand if he has another season like this one.

IF the Oilers resign all three to about 23 million dollar contract, they going to become a pretty shallow team, like worse then they are now.

That's why next year is their window to try to win a cup.

[Fire]

McDavid - 12M x 8yrs or 9M x 6yrs
Draisaitl - 6.5M x 6yrs or 7.5 x 8yrs

[GGG]

I think the PA would want McDavid to get 100 million.

It's sets a new bar with a nice round number. 12.5 x 8

[chummer]

97 million for McDavid.

[ToewsFan]

I would love to see a Battle of Alberta for the first time in my adult life.

[robaur]

- Leon Draisaitl is on a 10 game point streak. - 5 goals, 13 assists 18 points in last 10 games.
- Connor McDavid is on a 10 game point streak. - 6 goals, 13 assists 19 points in last 10 games.
- Patrick Maroon has 7 goals, 3 assists 10 points in the last 10 games.

In the last 10 games, Oilers have scored 40 goals - McDavid/Draisaitl line accounts for 27 of them - 68% of the offence.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by robaur

- Leon Draisaitl is on a 10 game point streak. - 5 goals, 13 assists 18 points in last 10 games.
- Connor McDavid is on a 10 game point streak. - 6 goals, 13 assists 19 points in last 10 games.
- Patrick Maroon has 7 goals, 3 assists 10 points in the last 10 games.

In the last 10 games, Oilers have scored 40 goals - McDavid/Draisaitl line accounts for 27 of them - 68% of the offence.

I'm not sure if this was meant as a shot at the Oilers, but I'd love our top line being 68% of our offense if they were putting up those incredible numbers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'm not sure if this was meant as a shot at the Oilers, but I'd love our top line being 68% of our offense if they were putting up those incredible numbers.

I wouldn't. It makes it easier for the opposition to shutdown the Oilers.

A balanced scoring coming from at least 2 lines (what we have) is what you want.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

I wouldn't. It makes it easier for the opposition to shutdown the Oilers.

A balanced scoring coming from at least 2 lines (what we have) is what you want.

Sure, if you can shut them down. It seems they're not being shut down, or they wouldn't have those numbers.

[V]

Teams have been trying to shut him down all season. I wonder if you can. I'm sure someone will draw something up in the playoffs, but right now it's not like it's just schlubs that he's scoring on. He doesn't even need to wait to play against tired teams on the back end of back-to-backs!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by V

Teams have been trying to shut him down all season. I wonder if you can. I'm sure someone will draw something up in the playoffs, but right now it's not like it's just schlubs that he's scoring on. He doesn't even need to wait to play against tired teams on the back end of back-to-backs!

Oh snap!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sure, if you can shut them down. It seems they're not being shut down, or they wouldn't have those numbers.

Playoffs are a little different I think that was the point he was making

I mean they just played the Avs twice

Teams win in the playoffs with depth scoring

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Playoffs are a little different I think that was the point he was making

I mean they just played the Avs twice

Teams win in the playoffs with depth scoring

I agree but you can win a round or two the way they are playing right now sadly. I just want them to LOSE and fear if they play the Sharks they will have an easy road to the western semis.

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sure, if you can shut them down. It seems they're not being shut down, or they wouldn't have those numbers.

Playoffs are a different story as the defence tends to tighten up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

Playoffs are a different story as the defence tends to tighten up.

better teams too

Avs, Canucks, Kings, Yotes, ect.will be long gone

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Dion

I wouldn't. It makes it easier for the opposition to shutdown the Oilers.

A balanced scoring coming from at least 2 lines (what we have) is what you want.

Seems like the Oilers have scoring from other sources too.

Oilers top three forwards-84
Oilers forwards- The Rest-109

Flames top three forwards-66
Flames forwards-the rest-104


The Flames hold the edge in defence scoring:
Oilers D-34
Flames D-43

[Kjesse]

^^^ That was actually a decent reply to a suggestion of a one line team. But looking at the stats for goals sorted by each team, and the Oilers rely heavily upon their top three goal scorers by comparison, and the drop off is much more dramatic compared to the Flames. 11 more goals by just the top 3 is not a small number, as (guessing) not even 20% of players hit 15 goals. In fact, Johnny has just 18 goals, our number 3.

I won't say you're cherry picking, but keep in mind the Oilers have 8 players with more than 10 goals. The Flames have 12. And the Oilers have 12 more goals overall.

EDIT: 162 players have 15 or more goals. about 20-22%

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Delgar

^^^ That was actually a decent reply to a suggestion of a one line team. But looking at the stats for goals sorted by each team, and the Oilers rely heavily upon their top three goal scorers by comparison, and the drop off is much more dramatic compared to the Flames. 18 more goals by just the top 3 is not a small number, as (guessing) not even 20% of players hit 15 goals.

I won't say you're cherry picking, but keep in mind the Oilers have 8 players with more than 10 goals. The Flames have 12. And the Oilers have 12 more goals overall.

EDIT: 162 players have 15 or more goals. about 20-22%

The Flames have rotated guys through their top six more often than the Oilers, and the Oilers haven't had the same roster night in and out as often as the Flames so it can be difficult to compare straight across.

I mean you look at Gaudreau's icetime and he's played 20% with Ferland/Monahan, 20% with Chiasson/Monahan, 12% with Chiasson/Bennet, 12% with Brouwer, etc.

Compare that to McDavid who has played 38% with Maroon/Draisaitl.

Would guys like Chiasson and Ferland have reached the goal totals they did if they had been playing 3rd or 4th line minutes the whole season?
If you didn't run Maroon with McDavid for most of the season and had rotating wingers from the bottom six, you'd have his 27 goals spread over 3-4 guys and the distribution would look like the Flames IMO.

The Oilers haven't given guys like Kassian, or Hendricks, or their other bottom sixers the opportunity to play with their best players. Todd hasn't been rotating wingers through the McDavid line like Calgary has done with Monahan/Gaudreau. Pouliot was pretty much the only guy from the bottom six to get a good shot in the top six but he's been terrible, and he only made it as high as the second line.

Calgary's most consistent line of Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik, scored 51 goals. That's the same total as Lucic-RNH-Eberle, but the second line hasn't been together nearly as often for the Oilers so do you call that a wash?

And, the Oilers have also been rotating their bottom six guys out of the lineup more often. I think they've gotten more production out of their 4th line/call up guys then the Flames, but the Flames have the edge on the third line.