Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Back up your vile baseless accusations.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Is this like a thing for you? I don’t share your thoughts on this or have your appetite for terror.

I hope for peace, as Israel has done with multiple neighbours. You can continue parroting China, Russia and Iran, leaders in human rights.

Don’t forget South Africa, whose government hosts Hamas leaders.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusa...-hamas-chiefs/

After October 7th
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-man...e9910d535a48c7

[LanceUppercut]

12 UNRWA employees were fired for potentially participating in Oct. 7th.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/w...7-attacks.html

The United Nations on Friday fired 12 of its employees in Gaza and began an investigation into them after accusations by Israel that they had helped plan and had participated in the Oct. 7 terrorist assault that left about 1,200 Israelis dead and more than 240 others captured.


The workers, all men employed by the U.N. agency that aids Palestinians, known by the acronym UNRWA, are subject to a criminal investigation, two U.N. officials said.

UNRWA has long denied Israel’s claims that it fuels anti-Israeli incitement in Gaza. But it took a sharply different approach to the more serious accusations on Friday, just days after Israel presented them to the agency.

They took a sharply different approach since the US cut off hundreds in millions of funding.

[Southside403]

https://youtu.be/1i6vIn4wFMw?si=f8N1FWJKCpUiNgS5

IDF vs Tire lol
Enjoy put the anger aside for a laugh

[Manhattanboy]

Canada is suspending funding to UNRWA following the allegations that its employees participated in the Oct. 7 terrorist attack against Israel.

If true absolutely disgusting.

[Bagor]

What a legacy he's going to have. Blessed the funding of Hamas. Responsible for the biggest terrorist attack in his country and associated with genocide.

Is it possible to have him removed?

Netanyahu must be removed, top former Israeli national security officials say

More than 40 senior former Israeli national security officials, celebrated scientists and prominent business leaders have sent a letter to Israel’s president and speaker of parliament demanding that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu be removed from office for posing what they say is an “existential” threat to the country.

The signatories on the letter include four former directors of Isrl’s foreign and domestic security services, two former heads of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and three Nobel Prize winners.

The letter blasts the coalition Netanyahu assembled to form the most right-wing government ever in Israel, along with his highly controversial efforts to overhaul Israel’s judiciary that they say led to security lapses that resulted in the October 7 attacks, the deadliest day in Israel’s history.

"We believe that Netanyahu bears primary responsibility for creating the circumstances leading to the brutal massacre of over 1,200 Israelis and others, the injury of over 4,500, and the kidnapping of more than 230 individuals, of whom over 130 are still held in Hamas captivity,” it reads. “The victim’s blood is on Netanyahu’s hands.”

FILE PHOTO: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu chairs a cabinet meeting at the Kirya military base, which houses the Israeli Ministry of Defence, in Tel Aviv, Israel, December 24, 2023. Ohad Zwigenberg/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo
Israeli government divisions deepen as cabinet minister says defeating Hamas is unrealistic
The letter was sent to Israeli President Isaac Herzog on Thursday and to Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana on Friday.

Netanyahu’s popularity has fallen dramatically since starting his sixth term as prime minister, just over a year ago. Critics have blasted his judicial reform efforts – which threatened to trigger a constitutional crisis and divided the country, with months of massive, regular demonstrations.

“Leaders of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas,” the letter says, “openly praised what they correctly saw as a destabilizing and erosive process of Israel’s stability, led by Netanyahu, and seized the opportunity to harm and damage Israel’s security.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/middl...ntl/index.html

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Canada is suspending funding to UNRWA following the allegations that its employees participated in the Oct. 7 terrorist attack against Israel.

If true absolutely disgusting.

Like I've been saying, follow the money. How much has been sunk into the UNRWA over the years? And where has it all gone?

"The Israeli authorities have provided UNRWA with information about the alleged involvement of several UNRWA employees in the horrific attacks on Israel on Oct. 7," said Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA commissioner general.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/unrwa-...ions-1.7095676

Surprised they even believed them. Given the response from the rest of the western world, must have been pretty damning evidence.

Now all about saving face.

[Fuzz]

It's almost like the situation is complicated.

[activeStick]

While the ICJ didn't explicitly use the words "cease fire" in their ruling, I do agree with the South African FM that the only way for Israel to follow the ruling, "shall ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts as described in point 1 above", which lists out, "(a) Killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group", is to cease fire. The list also describes the definition of genocide.

To me, the ruling basically is calling for immediate cease fire and to stop acts that constitute genocide.

Also, big kudos to South Africa, who has lived through apartheid to bring this to the international court!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750881275169182034

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's almost like the situation is complicated.

It is.

However the funding terrorists part isn't really complicated.

It has just been ignored for far too long.

Even individuals that donate to charity want to know where their money goes, and how it is spent.

[activeStick]

Well, there a couple of things for me regarding Canada following their master, the US' lead here and pulling funding as a result of this.

1. These are Israeli intelligence claims and forgive me for having some doubt with what they claim given the last number of months.

2. From what I understand, the claim is that 12 employees were involved in the October 7 attack on innocent people. UNRWA employs 30,000 people according to Wikipedia which works out to 0.04% of the organization. This is not a deep organizational problem with that percentage, though if these 12 are connected in leadership roles within the organization, I'd want to understand more.

[Beninho]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nocide/677257/

“Being selective about whom it calls out for international crimes is not new for South Africa. This genocide case is the first that the country has brought to the court. Survivors of the Darfur genocide must be bewildered that South Africa would bring an action against Israel yet fail to have done so against Sudan. In fact, South Africa specifically declined to act on the International Criminal Court’s warrant for the arrest of al-Bashir when he visited the country in 2015. Instead of sending him to The Hague, South Africa allowed him to return to Sudan. That same year, al-Bashir added to his genocidal record by providing aid for the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces in their war in Darfur, where they burned villages and raped women.

South Africa’s selectivity has continued to this day. The RSF’s warlord, known as Hemedti, recently undertook a tour of African countries. Just days after South Africa submitted its application against Israel, Hemedti was welcomed by South Africa’s president, Cyril Ramaphosa. As the two shook hands, Hemedti’s militia was completing its decades-long campaign of ethnic cleansing in Darfur.”

Kudos to South Africa tho amirite?

[Bagor]

You're confused..
It's Israel that's on trial for genocide.

[Captain Otto]

No he's not confused.

Simply pointing out the selective outrage of South Africa.

[activeStick]

You may want to look at the recent motions at the UN and check out the voting numbers from the members before you throw out "selective outrage" at the atrocities happening in Gaza, as if literally the majority of the world who are part of the UN have not already stated their case against what is happening. In case you want to actually know, the vast majority of nations have consistently voted in favour of an immediate ceasefire to prevent the continuation of the savage bombing and killing of innocent Palestinians.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

No he's not confused.

Simply pointing out the selective outrage of South Africa.

Israel should have used that in their defence at their genocide trial.
Except it would have been irrelevant.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Israel should have used that in their defence at their genocide trial.
Except it would have been irrelevant.

Maybe not to you, but still an interesting fact.

So ya, he's still not confused.

[btimbit]

I don't think anyone here is disillusioned about South Africa's human rights record, but like Bagor said that doesn't really matter here

It's like when Canada called out China for the treatment of Uyghurs and China replied 'Yeah but what about how you treated natives'

They're not wrong, but that doesn't really change the point either

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Maybe not to you, but still an interesting fact.

So ya, he's still not confused.

So why didn't they use it as a a defence at their genocide trial?

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I don't think anyone here is disillusioned about South Africa's human rights record, but like Bagor said that doesn't really matter here

It's like when Canada called out China for the treatment of Uyghurs and China replied 'Yeah but what about how you treated natives'

They're not wrong, but that doesn't really change the point either

I mean sure.

But it's also a discussion board where people can present facts that maybe others don't know.

Is it relevant? I dunno, kinda hard to be credible when you are actively still engaging in harbouring others doing the same.

Again, if you think that's irrelevant. Great!

As far as Bagor's comment about why it wasn't used at THE UN? I have no idea. Israel didn't contact me for comment.

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