Calgary Civic Election Poll #3: The race heats up

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by Muta

I'd wager to say that it would be much less than that percentage that uses those interchanges. I was being generous and giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Besides, I'd also wager to say that given the associated mainentance, repair and environmental costs of isolated-use interchanges, and the associated residual financial benefits that a bridge like this can provide, the Peace Bridge is a better investment.

And I was being generous with the 2% number.

Until you have numbers backing up your claim, your wager doesn't hold much weight.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Muta

It's funny how millions and millions of people and families around the world in many cities of all sizes across many countries can do it, but for some reason, we here in Calgary just can't hey?

By thw way, you're right about the expensive part (unfortunately, but that goes back to the supply and demand problem), but wrong on the convenience part. How is it less convenient to live in a higher density area, likely where you're closer to work and still have all the amenities around you? I don't get that one...

Parking is a huge issue with high density property. How many grocery stores are downtown?? I have 4 within 5 minutes of my home. I bet the availability recreation facilities and schools would be a problem. No yards, no street hockey, no dogs. People want their security blanket cul-de-sac where their kids can safely run wild.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

275,000 some people are using an overpass each day??

Wasnt my statistic. I just repeated what he said

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

275,000 some people are using an overpass each day??

20k people will use the peace bridge each day??

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Ducay

You've staked out City Hall eh?

Nope, just staked out the #yycvote feed on twitter. I'm at work!

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Parking is a huge issue with high density property. How many grocery stores are downtown?? I have 4 within 5 minutes of my home. I bet the availability recreation facilities and schools would be a problem. No yards, no street hockey, no dogs. People want their security blanket cul-de-sac where their kids can safely run wild.

Ya, just look at NYC or any European city. There are no children. There are no dogs, and there is definitely no street hockey.


Cool view of the world you've got!

[4X4]

I dont give a fata whether the peace bridge or the overpass at seton and Deerfoot is used by more people. I'd rather have the peace bridge than the overpass because the people using the peace bridge are the residents of Sunnyside and Hillhurst, and they're using it to walk into downtown. That's one less car in my way, and besides, those people paid 3x the amount of taxes than the people in Cranston, and 100% more taxes than the people driving in from Okotoks.

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Ya, just look at NYC or any European city. There are no children. There are no dogs, and there is definitely no street hockey.


Cool view of the world you've got!

Wow, I had no idea Calgary was so comparable to NYC.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Ya, just look at NYC or any European city. There are no children. There are no dogs, and there is definitely no street hockey.


Cool view of the world you've got!

Honestly it cracks me up when I see the comparisons between Calgary and NYC.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Byrns

And I was being generous with the 2% number.

Until you have numbers backing up your claim, your wager doesn't hold much weight.

What 2% number?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

How many grocery stores are downtown??

There are two grocery stores within walking distance of my Beltline condo (three if you count Community Natural Foods).

I bet the availability recreation facilities and schools would be a problem.

There are plenty of both in and around downtown. Contrast with several new suburban developments where a school might be built someday.

no dogs

WTF? In my downtown condo, there are at least seven families with pet dogs, including mine. We see dozens of other people walking their dogs everytime we take ours out.

People want their security blanket cul-de-sac where their kids can safely run wild.

There are numerous public parks and playgrounds downtown where kids can safely run wild.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Parking is a huge issue with high density property. How many grocery stores are downtown?? I have 4 within 5 minutes of my home. I bet the availability recreation facilities and schools would be a problem. No yards, no street hockey, no dogs. People want their security blanket cul-de-sac where their kids can safely run wild.

I live inner city. I have 4 grocery stores within 5 minutes of my home. There are schools and parks and recreation facilities. There are tons of people with yards and dogs. Why do kids need to run wild? Are they really safer on a cul-de-sac? Or is it just perception?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Honestly it cracks me up when I see the comparisons between Calgary and NYC.

It was sarcasm, you were alluding that people want those things, as if the inner city or high-density does not provide them.... anyways, moving on

[Cscutch]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Honestly it cracks me up when I see the comparisons between Calgary and NYC.

Ok how about Portland Oregon, they subscribe to a transit and bicycle transportation first development.

Everyone should take the time to watch this documentary.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/blueprintame.../overview/549/

Chris

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Even if 10,000 people a day used the Peace Bridge it would still only be 1% of the city population. An overpass is still better bang for the buck if 25% of the city uses it.

Peace Bridge fits better with Plan It Calgary.

New, expensive interchanges do not.

Peace Bridge makes more sense from a sustainability perspective.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Cscutch

Ok how about Portland Oregon, they subscribe to a transit and bicycle transportation first development.

Everyone should take the time to watch this documentary.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/blueprintame.../overview/549/

Chris

Wasnt there a post in this thread about Portland, and how Calgary still has more ridership per capita? Also I believe the cost of their system was prohibitive.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Cscutch

Ok how about Portland Oregon, they subscribe to a transit and bicycle transportation first development.

Everyone should take the time to watch this documentary.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/blueprintame.../overview/549/

Chris

But wait Chris, they don't have winters like we do in Calgary /sarcasm.

[Ducay]

Derek McKenzie is out (per twitter)

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I dont give a fata whether the peace bridge or the overpass at seton and Deerfoot is used by more people. I'd rather have the peace bridge than the overpass because the people using the peace bridge are the residents of Sunnyside and Hillhurst, and they're using it to walk into downtown. That's one less car in my way, and besides, those people paid 3x the amount of taxes than the people in Cranston, and 100% more taxes than the people driving in from Okotoks.

How many of these residents will now suddenly change their minds and decide to walk to work once the bridge is built? What % are using the existing infrastructure?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I live inner city. I have 4 grocery stores within 5 minutes of my home. There are schools and parks and recreation facilities. There are tons of people with yards and dogs. Why do kids need to run wild? Are they really safer on a cul-de-sac? Or is it just a perspective?

I was referring to condos right downtown. Sounds like you're in a neighbourhood outside the core itself.