Report: Israel storms Gaza-bound aid ships

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Protecting my family and my country and what it stands for. In my opinion at least.

Great answer!

If I may condense, your answer basically boils down to a well known concept: self-interest.

You have a self-interest in protecting the well being of your family, to keep them safe, to keep them under protective shelter, and to preserve the security of your land and, ultimately, country.

The important follow-up question with regards to self interest is whether you would respect the rights of others to do the same?

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Perhaps if she was the Republican House Majority leader and spoke out similarly about the Palestinians, then she could have kept her job.

True story.

The basic reason is that the West is very Pro-Israel. It's not a 2-way street.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

For me all hope seemed to end when Rabin was assassinated by that Orthodox zealot.

Another was when Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount when he was running for Prime Minister. The intifada was called not too long after that.

[amorak]

I think she was right:
Sarcasm alert sarcasm alert!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by amorak

I think she was right:
Sarcasm alert sarcasm alert!

What, about sending the Jews back to Germany and Poland. She was entirely wrong, and it was a stupid thing to say.

You'd think someone of her age and experience would know better.

While I wouldn't call it anti-Semitic I would call it ignorant and inappropriate.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by amorak

I think she was right:
Sarcasm alert sarcasm alert!

She was actually wrong. What she said is supportive of revisionist history of Israel, that there were no Jews there prior to Israeli independence. That is not true, and that is more than likely why she got the backlash she deserved.

Pretty dumb thing to say, and for a politician to stand by her is political suicide.

Even more dumb to think she is right.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

She was actually wrong. What she said is supportive of revisionist history of Israel, that there were no Jews there prior to Israeli independence. That is not true, and that is more than likely why she got the backlash she deserved.

Pretty dumb thing to say, and for a politician to stand by her is political suicide.

Even more dumb to think she is right.

Even more dumb to be easily drawn into a fight, then murdered like a lamb. a three legged lamb who can't find white text.

[Nage Waza]

Are you all of a sudden Dan Brown? Sorry for missing the secret code! Yikes

[starseed]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I only started paying attention to this specific issue:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...de-israel.html

There was a group that marched in Toronto's gay pride parade that named themselves "Queers Against Israeli Apartheid". In a no-brainer decision, the organizers banned them from marching this year. ...and the drama queens went crazy.

I remember finding it very odd that they were the only marchers of that type that I noticed. For one thing, it is ridiculous to sully the purpose of the parade by marching to promote their views on middle-eastern geopolitics rather than fighting against bigoted attitudes in society. For another thing, it is completely dumbfounding that these imbeciles would protest against the side that doesn't criminalize homosexuality. Israel is the only middle-eastern country to protect gay rights via anti-discrimination laws. Israel allows gay adoption. Israel accepts gay marriages performed elsewhere, and almost two-thirds of the public support same-sex civil unions. Israel also holds gay pride parades... yet Israel is the ONLY country I saw protested against last year.

How is that not antisemitism? What else can explain it?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by starseed

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I only started paying attention to this specific issue:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...de-israel.html

There was a group that marched in Toronto's gay pride parade that named themselves "Queers Against Israeli Apartheid". In a no-brainer decision, the organizers banned them from marching this year. ...and the drama queens went crazy.

I remember finding it very odd that they were the only marchers of that type that I noticed. For one thing, it is ridiculous to sully the purpose of the parade by marching to promote their views on middle-eastern geopolitics rather than fighting against bigoted attitudes in society. For another thing, it is completely dumbfounding that these imbeciles would protest against the side that doesn't criminalize homosexuality. Israel is the only middle-eastern country to protect gay rights via anti-discrimination laws. Israel allows gay adoption. Israel accepts gay marriages performed elsewhere, and almost two-thirds of the public support same-sex civil unions. Israel also holds gay pride parades... yet Israel is the ONLY country I saw protested against last year.

How is that not antisemitism? What else can explain it?

That there are gay Palestinians? I think there protest would be better aimed at Hamas, but there are also legitimate gripes with aspects of Israeli policy. Agreed that it's a rather odd stance to take considering all that you mentioned. I definitely don't get the people who go after the entire notion of Israel as opposed to certain policies or tactics, I'm not sure that can be explained away as anything less than anti-Semitic.

[Madman]

Sorry, haven't read the entire thread - just thought I'd add this video to the discussion.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67b_1275959417

This video shows hidden arms in the shipment from the seized vessel. I know, I know - faked Israeli video, right?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Madman

Sorry, haven't read the entire thread - just thought I'd add this video to the discussion.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67b_1275959417

This video shows hidden arms in the shipment from the seized vessel. I know, I know - faked Israeli video, right?

Are you suggesting that because of this past incident, all currents ships must also be carrying arms?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Madman

Sorry, haven't read the entire thread - just thought I'd add this video to the discussion.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67b_1275959417

This video shows hidden arms in the shipment from the seized vessel. I know, I know - faked Israeli video, right?

This is from 2009. The way your post is written one assumes its from the recently seized vessels.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by starseed

How is that not antisemitism? What else can explain it?

I don't see how you make the leap from their voiced disagreement of Israeli policy to an unhinged, irrational hatred of Jews.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Are you suggesting that because of this past incident, all currents ships must also be carrying arms?

That's a pretty silly question to ask. We all know ships currently going into Gaza don't have arms on them because Israel checks every one of them.

A better question to ask might be: Is it probable that weapons including rockets would be transported by ship into Gaza if Israel quit their blockade?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I don't see how you make the leap from their voiced disagreement of Israeli policy to an unhinged, irrational hatred of Jews.

There is "unhinged, irrational hatred of Jews" and there is "polite" anti-Semetism, the kind that has been prevalent in "civilized" Europe for years.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This is from 2009. The way your post is written one assumes its from the recently seized vessels.

And?

If there were weapons on past shipments doesn't that mean Israel SHOULD still have the blockade in place to prevent other shipments from getting weapons into Gaza?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

There is "unhinged, irrational hatred of Jews" and there is "polite" anti-Semetism, the kind that has been prevalent in "civilized" Europe for years.

Is there also criticism of Israeli policy absent irrational or polite anti-semitism?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Azure

And?

If there were weapons on past shipments doesn't that mean Israel SHOULD still have the blockade in place to prevent other shipments from getting weapons into Gaza?

All I said was don't post a video that isnt of the current event and package as such. I don't deny the problem with weapons filtering into Gaza.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Is it probable that weapons including rockets would be transported by ship into Gaza if Israel quit their blockade?

Yes, it is probable.