Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[photon]

Snopes is totally controlled by the mole men.

Getting something censored from Youtube is brutally easy, just file a DMCA claim and 99% of the time Youtube will just remove it without investigating or probably even watching the video.. and getting them reinstated is an uphill battle, I've seen it many times with video makers I follow.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by photon

Snopes is totally controlled by the mole men.

Oh. Well then, crap. Ok, Tower wins.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by jammies

As has been said, you are welcome to withdraw your consent at any time by emigrating. Personally I hope all the hard-core Libertarians emigrate to Somalia so they can live without government, the die-hard authoritarians move to Myanmar so they can enjoy permanent martial law, and the few deluded socialists left all move to North Korea where they can salute the Dear Leader.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anywhere where your "theories" are currently being practiced, so the best I can suggest is to go the route of the Hutterites and start your own colony of Towerians.

What you offer is not a remedy. There is not any practice anywhere? While it is not common yet. It is growing quite quickly.

One forum started about a year ago and already has 5000 members.

Another site with 2000 and these are just Canadian sites.
Such theories are being practiced popping up in all British Common Law places.

[Tower]

Coleen Rowley
Raw Story
July 15, 2009


In the absence of my being there in New York City to stand with the 9/11 families, first responders and survivors, I offer the following statement in support of your goal of a new investigation into the attacks of September 11th and the NYC CAN campaign to place it on the ballot for November.

<rest removed>

[mikey_the_redneck]

Excellent article Tower..........

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Tower

What you offer is not a remedy.

Really? Why not - it would seem that gathering all the like-minded people together in a community would be the optimal way to prove your vision of society is tenable.

Of course, I'm sure there is some abstruse reason that this common-sense and rational approach doesn't meet your approval. Extra points for framing your answer in a series of disconnected sentence fragments.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by jammies

Really? Why not - it would seem that gathering all the like-minded people together in a community would be the optimal way to prove your vision of society is tenable.

Of course, I'm sure there is some abstruse reason that this common-sense and rational approach doesn't meet your approval. Extra points for framing your answer in a series of disconnected sentence fragments.

Does he have a vision of society?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Haha.......I love this. The media decides what is important??

No....people decide what is important. Thats why ratings are what drives what is shown. Media is a business that is in business to make money. If you dont think something as big as what is being claimed here wouldnt have MASSIVE ratings, you are kidding yourself.

You have it all backwards man.........
To me, the mainstream media creates garbage entertainment (all in the name of the dollar of course) that distracts the public from paying attention to what their elected members and corporate leaders are actually doing........

Real media doesnt "create" anything. They simply report/investigate what happens or what has happened. And they do cover their elected leaders every single freakin day of the week.....just turn on any of the main networks or cable stations to see this.

I believe free press barely exists in North America nowadays. We are on a "need to know" basis....

Another one claiming that government controls media? Seriously?

But I guess celebrities, reality TV, and the latest flu pandemic hoaxes are what is really important.

They are all part of what people want to see....ALONG with what politicians and CEO's and all the rest of that stuff.

Unless you think every station should only focus on what elected officials are doing 24 hours a day...then i am not sure what your point is.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by peter12

Does he have a vision of society?

Not a coherent one, no. More like a shared parasitism that sees government and law as an enemy to be subverted and taken advantage of, regardless of how that advantage is detrimental to society as a whole. Of course, it isn't presented as such, but rather as an appeal to "freedom"; the "freedom" to avoid taxes, to avoid law, and to avoid debt, all on the most dubious of pretexts.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by jammies

Not a coherent one, no. More like a shared parasitism that sees government and law as an enemy to be subverted and taken advantage of, regardless of how that advantage is detrimental to society as a whole. Of course, it isn't presented as such, but rather as an appeal to "freedom"; the "freedom" to avoid taxes, to avoid law, and to avoid debt, all on the most dubious of pretexts.

Agreed. The creepy subversion is what really gets me. Disagree or not, a real libertarian at least opposes government on a foundation of principle and ethics, not by countering perceived deception with even more manipulation and deception.

All of Tower's ramblings just convince me more and more of the value of a good education.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Unless you think every station should only focus on what elected officials are doing 24 hours a day...then i am not sure what your point is.

What I was trying to say is that the media today is all about mindless entertainment and censorship...................not the truth.

If you don't believe mainstream media in the U.S. spreads propaganda then you must be blind.........a prime example is swine flu.

They come up with this "deadly swine flu pandemic" that is no worse than the ordinary flu, and is not a random foreign disease like they make it sound. Swine flu was manufactured to create fear in the public, so big drug companies can offer a vaccination program that will make them billions of dollars.



and I am not sure why Towers legit article was removed.........

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What I was trying to say is that the media today is all about mindless entertainment and censorship...................not the truth.

If you don't believe mainstream media in the U.S. spreads propaganda then you must be blind.........a prime example is swine flu.

They come up with this "deadly swine flu pandemic" that is no worse than the ordinary flu, and is not a random foreign disease like they make it sound. Swine flu was manufactured to create fear in the public, so big drug companies can offer a vaccination program that will make them billions of dollars.



and I am not sure why Towers legit article was removed.........

Do you have any idea how many sources of "mainstream media" exist? I don't have to watch the usual culprits of Fox News or CNN to obtain descriptive and critical analysis. There are literally 100s of reliable columnists and publications that fall outside the umbrella of the cable news channels. Are you suggesting that a publication like The Economist or Atlantic Monthly are in on this too?

By the way, if you talk to ANY contagious disease experts you would know why the Swine Flu is being taken seriously. Good lord, you are so removed from anything considered reality.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If you don't believe mainstream media in the U.S. spreads propaganda then you must be blind.

It's impossible to communicate without bias; simply choosing what to communicate is a discriminatory action in itself. You will never approach truth by discovering propaganda in what OTHERS say - you must be willing to seek out the sources of bias in yourself.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by jammies

It's impossible to communicate without bias; simply choosing what to communicate is a discriminatory action in itself. You will never approach truth by discovering propaganda in what OTHERS say - you must be willing to seek out the sources of bias in yourself.

It's not even about seeking out sources of bias, but recognizing the plurality of views that make up the modern polity.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What I was trying to say is that the media today is all about mindless entertainment and censorship...................not the truth.

If you don't believe mainstream media in the U.S. spreads propaganda then you must be blind.........a prime example is swine flu.

They come up with this "deadly swine flu pandemic" that is no worse than the ordinary flu, and is not a random foreign disease like they make it sound. Swine flu was manufactured to create fear in the public, so big drug companies can offer a vaccination program that will make them billions of dollars.



and I am not sure why Towers legit article was removed.........

Couldn't link the other story. CP does not want full articles on their site. However, I couldn't seem to link it from here because you need to log in to the other website to see it. So it was posted. However, there was NO copyright issues violated as you can see in the article I posted below it does not say copyright anywhere. This article is like FREEWARE. Pass it around.

Here it is again. Found it from a new site for which I can link.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/07/ex-...investigation/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What I was trying to say is that the media today is all about mindless entertainment and censorship...................not the truth.

If you don't believe mainstream media in the U.S. spreads propaganda then you must be blind.........a prime example is swine flu.

They come up with this "deadly swine flu pandemic" that is no worse than the ordinary flu, and is not a random foreign disease like they make it sound. Swine flu was manufactured to create fear in the public, so big drug companies can offer a vaccination program that will make them billions of dollars.



and I am not sure why Towers legit article was removed.........

Respectfully you don't know your a$$ from a hole in the ground. Try doing some research on swine flu epidemics that happened in 1918, 1988 and 1998. The swine flu and especially H1N1 are extremely hardy and extremely infectionious. Swine Flu is not like influenza at all in its possible mortality rates. Regular death rates from standard influenza's usually occur in the very old and very young, thats to be expected. Because the H1N1 while having the standard influeza like symptoms also attacks the body in different ways for example the swine flu virus can cause vomiting and diarrha that is absent in the standard flu.

While H1N1 is not as much of a killer flu as something like say the Spanish Flu, when it does entrench it pretty much kills without discrimination in terms of age, gender or general health.

You seem to misunderstand vaccination programs. This program will do nothing to protect or help people in the current infection band, but it will hopefully prevent this strain from spreading any further if they can ever get it out, and vaccination programs for any kind, it also goes a long way in reducing future infections from the same virus. Because frankly mankinds success in curing virus based illnesses hovers around zero..

[photon]

Lol @ mikey, the swine flu was manufacutured... Your science teachers should be jailed.

And Towers article was removed because it wasn't his article. He reprinted it without permission and without attribution, something someone who studies the law so much should know not to do, not to mention the disregard for this forum's rules. And putting the forum at legal risk, who cares as long as the post serves the cause right?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by photon

Lol @ mikey, the swine flu was manufacutured... Your science teachers should be jailed.

And Towers article was removed because it wasn't his article. He reprinted it without permission and without attribution, something someone who studies the law so much should know not to do, not to mention the disregard for this forum's rules. And putting the forum at legal risk, who cares as long as the post serves the cause right?

I've been getting that impression about a lot of people lately....

A lot of people are really fortunate that they dont let me incarcerate whomever I wish indiscriminately.

[photon]

Wow, just because something doesn't say copyright it's freeware? Someone alert the judges!

If you want to put your legal iterpretations to the test, do it on your own site, risk your own ass, don't risk the person who pays out of their own pocket so you can have a free place to post your "entertainment". Have some respect.

[transplant99]

If you don't believe mainstream media in the U.S. spreads propaganda then you must be blind.........a prime example is swine flu.

They come up with this "deadly swine flu pandemic" that is no worse than the ordinary flu, and is not a random foreign disease like they make it sound. Swine flu was manufactured to create fear in the public, so big drug companies can offer a vaccination program that will make them billions of dollars

The swine flu was a concern and still will be heading into the winter months. The media is merely taking their cue on what it is from the WHO....now perhaps they over-reported on it an that would be a fair criticism. You have to remember this is the same strain that killed over 50 million people in 1918, so I think it warrented some coverage.

To state that it was "manufactured" to crate panic is downright insane. ALL flu strains have the potential to be deadly, and this one especially because of its ability to mutate. Simply put, we still dont know how bad this will or wont be. But I, for one, am glad to have the information about it available to protect myself as best i can to not contract it. Where do I get that info from? The media.

And if it was "manufactured"...who did it? Why did they do it? When did they do it, and where are these billions of dollars of vaccinations?

Wow.