[Rumour] Dailyfaceoff: Flames might go big game hunting this summer

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still think the move if possible is to trade Andersson and bring in a veteran LH d-man in free agency or as a cap dump.

Potential Free Agents:
Gavrikov - 29 years old
Orlov - 33 years old
Lindgren - 27 years old

Potential Trades
Girard - 27 years old - 2 x $5M - rumoured to be on the trade block for a while, gives the Flames an offensive d-man that can help out the PP.

Samuelsson - 25 years old - 5 x $4.3M - defensive d-man that's slotted wrong in Buffalo and needs a change of scenery.

Nic Hague - 26 years old - RFA - Vegas has 5 guys locked up long term on defense, probably can't afford Hague.

I wonder what other cap dumps Vegas could look to offload? I can see them going after Marner so I could see them trading Hague as part of a deal that allows them to dump another player and that could be something the Flames are into.

I can see the Knights being in the mix for Marner

[CliffFletcher]

I could see the Flames going after Samuelsson or Hague.

Gavrikov is going to get paid big-time (projection have him at 7 x 7.5), and the Flames aren’t at a stage where they should be throwing that kind of money at a 29 year old.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder about Marner and Florida....he's buddies with Tkachuk from junior. Would be a fit on that team with Barkov or Lundell as his center.

Panthers have $76.5M and 16 players signed for next season. And then Bob's money ($10M) expires after next year. It's a $95.5M cap hit - so that's $19M to sign 6 players.

If you're Marner would you sign a cheaper 1 year deal in Florida...and then sign an 8 year extension after that for bigger money once Bob's deal is up and the cap goes up to $104M.

If he leaves Toronto though I do think Marner's agent takes a 1+8 approach to this offseason with whatever team tries to sign him in UFA. He can sign a max of 7 with a team right now and that will cover his 28-34 year old seasons but if he does a 1+8 approach he will cover his 28-36 year old seasons.

Would you sign Marner, at Bennett's expense? Literally polar opposites. One plays his best hockey, when all the cards are on the table.

[Jason14h]

Florida will also need a goalie / re-up Bob who has been key to back to back Stanley Cup finals and now a conference appearance

Why would Florida want Bob gone for Marner ?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still think the move if possible is to trade Andersson and bring in a veteran LH d-man in free agency or as a cap dump.

Potential Free Agents:
Gavrikov - 29 years old
Orlov - 33 years old
Lindgren - 27 years old

Potential Trades
Girard - 27 years old - 2 x $5M - rumoured to be on the trade block for a while, gives the Flames an offensive d-man that can help out the PP.

Samuelsson - 25 years old - 5 x $4.3M - defensive d-man that's slotted wrong in Buffalo and needs a change of scenery.

Nic Hague - 26 years old - RFA - Vegas has 5 guys locked up long term on defense, probably can't afford Hague.

Jonas Sigenthaler - 28 years old - 3 x $3.4M - New Jersey has a lot of bodies with Hamilton, Pesce, Dillon, Casey, Hughes, Semec, Kovacevic and are looking to make some changes.

Girard would not be able to crack the Flames PP next year in all likelihood or if he did it would be on the second unit. Parekh and Weegar would be ahead of him for PP time (as would Rasmus if he is still here).

[Bunk]

I'm old enough to remember when management would at least pretend to believe that "you have to build through the draft, you can't build via free agency".

This team, again, trying to short cut its way.

Then again, I'm not convinced they actually think the goal or definition of success is true contention or a cup. I think they're happy to string us all along as a bubble team, peddling faint hope to fill seats.

Franchise malpractice.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder about Marner and Florida....he's buddies with Tkachuk from junior. Would be a fit on that team with Barkov or Lundell as his center.

Panthers have $76.5M and 16 players signed for next season. And then Bob's money ($10M) expires after next year. It's a $95.5M cap hit - so that's $19M to sign 6 players.

If you're Marner would you sign a cheaper 1 year deal in Florida...and then sign an 8 year extension after that for bigger money once Bob's deal is up and the cap goes up to $104M.

If he leaves Toronto though I do think Marner's agent takes a 1+8 approach to this offseason with whatever team tries to sign him in UFA. He can sign a max of 7 with a team right now and that will cover his 28-34 year old seasons but if he does a 1+8 approach he will cover his 28-36 year old seasons.

While that would be a way to approach it, I would be shocked if a player does that. Most agents will mention that you can get injured and may never have another opportunity to cash in. So, I’d be surprised

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I'm old enough to remember when management would at least pretend to believe that "you have to build through the draft, you can't build via free agency".

This team, again, trying to short cut its way.

Then again, I'm not convinced they actually think the goal or definition of success is true contention or a cup. I think they're happy to string us all along as a bubble team, peddling faint hope to fill seats.

Franchise malpractice.

What actual evidence of this is there?
These are just rumours at this stage

[Hackey]

You can't just conveniently pick and choose when rumours have validity and when they don't based on the narrative you're trying to support.

[Inferno]

Now isn't the time for the people who don't want them to go big game hunting to start panicking.

If right before free agency starts we start hearing from the top insiders that the Flames have had serious discussions with guys like Marner is when those people should start to worry.

It's just adding unnecessary stress at this point.

[Rhett44]

It would have been hard to not make an offer for Rantanen, if he was available. Marner is so talented too, even though I'd prefer to stay pat I could understand it.

I say no to Tavares, Bennett, Ehlers etc. I'd rather just stay the course and accumulate a higher pick.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You can't just conveniently pick and choose when rumours have validity and when they don't based on the narrative you're trying to support.

End of the day this is not even really a rumor. It is speculation from someone who works for a credible source but the author himself is not a known insider. So pretty easy to discount this as a non-rumor

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You can't just conveniently pick and choose when rumours have validity and when they don't based on the narrative you're trying to support.

So any and all rumours have equal validity, regardless of source?

And what of speculation? Full validity there too?

Anyone states anything, even when simply pulled out of their ass, and we have to treat it as fact until proven otherwise?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder about Marner and Florida....he's buddies with Tkachuk from junior. Would be a fit on that team with Barkov or Lundell as his center.

Panthers have $76.5M and 16 players signed for next season. And then Bob's money ($10M) expires after next year. It's a $95.5M cap hit - so that's $19M to sign 6 players.

If you're Marner would you sign a cheaper 1 year deal in Florida...and then sign an 8 year extension after that for bigger money once Bob's deal is up and the cap goes up to $104M.

If he leaves Toronto though I do think Marner's agent takes a 1+8 approach to this offseason with whatever team tries to sign him in UFA. He can sign a max of 7 with a team right now and that will cover his 28-34 year old seasons but if he does a 1+8 approach he will cover his 28-36 year old seasons.

Amazing how the perception of that contract changed. It looked like an albatross with a young goalie (Knight) being blocked.

Instead it's likely three straight finals and a cup.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You can't just conveniently pick and choose when rumours have validity and when they don't based on the narrative you're trying to support.

I can judge management on things they actually do not things they have been rumored to be considering. That would seem fair no?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You can't just conveniently pick and choose when rumours have validity and when they don't based on the narrative you're trying to support.

No but you could just leave it as that ... a rumour.

Have an opinion on whether or not you want it to be true.

But don't make conclusions based on some rumours being true to keep a rain cloud narrative alive.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

That's kind of been the giggly part of this whole conversation. The "big game" phrasing applies to what, 5 UFAs in this class? The rest are the usual either overpaid or too old (sometimes both) kind of player you expect to see hit UFA status. Other than Marner, Boeser, Ehlers, Ekblad (arguably), and Bennett. And of those, only Marner and Bennett are kind of in a tier to themselves due to age and past performance.

But whatever, "big game hunting" it is I guess.

I would argue Boeser belongs in the latter category, personally. Look at his career. He can be relied upon for fewer than 30 goals and fewer than 60 points. That's it.

That's not "big game" to me. A fine player, but not worth anything close to what he's about to get.

[Freeway]

Pat and Frank had a segment on 960 on Tuesday that aligns much more with what I've been hearing the Flames' designs/desires are for the coming off-season.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Florida will also need a goalie / re-up Bob who has been key to back to back Stanley Cup finals and now a conference appearance

Why would Florida want Bob gone for Marner ?

My guess is they re-up Bob, but he's also going to be 37 when that contract expires and isn't going to get anywhere near $10M per season IMO.

And by that time the cap is supposed to be $104M so likely not an issue with Marner.

I think the bigger factor would be Bennett / Ekblad...and think it depends on those guys asks / whether they want to go to market.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Pat and Frank had a segment on 960 on Tuesday that aligns much more with what I've been hearing the Flames' designs/desires are for the coming off-season.

What are the highlights?