I'm talking about the party leadership and donors, who are largely who determines the direction the party takes. Obviously they don't have total control, but without their backing, a candidate has basically no chance of succeeding, so they have the ability to largely dictate who does or doesn't run.
Yes, the cloaked masterminds and the billionaires. Not people you're going to see when you get a coffee in the morning or a burger at night.
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No, it would be needlessly messy to have Presidential incumbents being constantly challenged by candidates from their own party when they're going for re-election. This was an extraordinary situation that warranted all the drama; it just should have been handled a year or two ago and more quietly. Then they could have had an open primary to determine the candidate.
What does "messy" mean? Competitive? I hope so.
If the incumbent is strong, it's a formality. If they're weak, then this is how the people get to address it instead of the "masterminds" who are responsible for what we see now.
Biden is the President and ultimately holds all the cards. If there wasn't a path to move on from him until the debate, it would be self defeating to go public with any concerns. I'm sure some groups were pressuring him in private all along.
Pretty much. An incumbent president has more power in the party than the insiders and donors. Until his performance in the debate undermined Biden’s support, a move against him would have failed and weakened the Dems. Which is why it didn’t happen.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
My 85 year old grandpa was mad when they took his license away after he had a stroke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right move.
Biden is clearly not fit to run a campaign or to be President for 4.5 more years. The mistake Democrats made was thinking they could hide this from voters, which meant they started putting pressure on him to not run again 1-2 years too late. They could have made a much smoother transition if Biden stuck to his "transitional candidate" thing that he was telling everyone before the 2020 election.
Was it a mistake though in the end? Harris took over with almost unanimous support from the party, no bruising from a primary, a bunch of initial enthusiasm, and has only 4 months to keep the momentum going. If you were to draw up a master plan to defeat Trump this election, then that might be one of the better ones.
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LOL. Suckers. Go ahead and lose another $10 grand suing Biden. Please record the judges response. You may be able to come out OK and get some Youtube revenue for it, and all you have to do is sit back and let the world laugh at you.
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Every Republican is mad because Biden was a very weak candidate, there was no drama with his replacement, and Vance was an ego pick by Trump. Biden bowing out was bad for Trump, so they really needed a fractured Democrat nomination to embrace the chaos and sow some discord.
The best part is that outside of all the criminal and rapist baggage that Trump has is that they can basically use all of the messaging the GOP has against Biden and throw it in Trump's face.
JD Vance is going to have the knives coming out for him now.
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I think Vance is probably safe because he is the key to the Thiel/Elon money Trump desperately needs. Unless there is a more charismatic puppet out there they control, Trump is kinda ####ed. Plus I'm not even sure there's a mechanism to remove him at this point after the convention.
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Every Republican is mad because Biden was a very weak candidate, there was no drama with his replacement, and Vance was an ego pick by Trump. Biden bowing out was bad for Trump, so they really needed a fractured Democrat nomination to embrace the chaos and sow some discord.
The best part is that outside of all the criminal and rapist baggage that Trump has is that they can basically use all of the messaging the GOP has against Biden and throw it in Trump's face.
JD Vance is going to have the knives coming out for him now.
Biden was a strong candidate. Was.
What is throwing stuff in Trump's face going to accomplish? They've thrown the kitchen sink at the guy and that's going to make his supporters bail out?
What is throwing stuff in Trump's face going to accomplish? They've thrown the kitchen sink at the guy and that's going to make his supporters bail out?
No, but the Dems don't need to convince the hardcore MAGAs to win the election.
I think Vance is probably safe because he is the key to the Thiel/Elon money Trump desperately needs. Unless there is a more charismatic puppet out there they control, Trump is kinda ####ed.
He has the charisma of Jeb, doesn't bring any voters that weren't already voting for Trump, and also compared Trump to Hitler.
The mountain dew thing might be his please clap moment.
What is throwing stuff in Trump's face going to accomplish? They've thrown the kitchen sink at the guy and that's going to make his supporters bail out?
Biden was a weak candidate going into the election and would have handed the Republicans a win.
They aren't trying to shift his supporters they are trying to capture the undecided voter and a lot of them were on the fence because of Biden's age. Their entire campaign can't be Trump is bad but they will have a strong combo if they roll out strong policies supporting the lower and middle class while also running with the Trump is old and dangerous angle.
Yes, the cloaked masterminds and the billionaires. Not people you're going to see when you get a coffee in the morning or a burger at night.
What does "messy" mean? Competitive? I hope so.
If the incumbent is strong, it's a formality. If they're weak, then this is how the people get to address it instead of the "masterminds" who are responsible for what we see now.
Not cloaked masterminds, people listed on a website
Was it a mistake though in the end? Harris took over with almost unanimous support from the party, no bruising from a primary, a bunch of initial enthusiasm, and has only 4 months to keep the momentum going. If you were to draw up a master plan to defeat Trump this election, then that might be one of the better ones.
I think it was. Harris is still a weak candidate who got the nomination because of the time crunch. The perception that Biden’s declining capacity was knowingly hidden from the public until the debate has definitely hurt Harris and the Democrats and that was totally self inflicted.
I think it was. Harris is still a weak candidate who got the nomination because of the time crunch. The perception that Biden’s declining capacity was knowingly hidden from the public until the debate has definitely hurt Harris and the Democrats and that was totally self inflicted.
Yes, but their ability to recognize a mistake and fix it in time is a quality I admire.
It's amazing how pissy the GOP and Republican voters are that the guy they hated has dropped out of the race.
Their insecurity is showing.
I don't know about pissy, they are trying the run the narrative of outrage that the Democrats are being undemocratic. Flushing millions of Biden primary votes down the toilet and appointing Harris without a single vote. Especially since the Democrats keep calling the GOP undemocratic.
Democrats argue that it's a 'ticket' and that a vote for Biden is the same as a vote for Harris but the GOP and their voters are arguing otherwise.
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I don't know about pissy, they are trying the run the narrative of outrage that the Democrats are being undemocratic. Flushing millions of Biden primary votes down the toilet and appointing Harris without a single vote. Especially since the Democrats keep calling the GOP undemocratic.
Democrats argue that it's a 'ticket' and that a vote for Biden is the same as a vote for Harris but the GOP and their voters are arguing otherwise.
Frankly it is an internal party matter.
If people don’t like how the party picks its candidates then go elsewhere
The whole things stinks of desperation from the GOP
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I don't know about pissy, they are trying the run the narrative of outrage that the Democrats are being undemocratic. Flushing millions of Biden primary votes down the toilet and appointing Harris without a single vote. Especially since the Democrats keep calling the GOP undemocratic.
Democrats argue that it's a 'ticket' and that a vote for Biden is the same as a vote for Harris but the GOP and their voters are arguing otherwise.
I think that if you consider Biden's age and elderly demeanor throughout the primary cycle, it's a perfectly reasonable argument that voters ALSO voted for Harris as president. I don't know how many honest democratic voters saw Biden lasting a full four years even if he was elected, either through illness or outright death. Harris was a de facto presidential nominee as part of the process, more than any other VP nominee in my lifetime.
So yeah, the GOP are being whiny babies because Harris is a tougher opponent.
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The GOP are acting like Biden won the election and then resigned the day after. There is still an actual election that Harris needs to win and Trump is looking mighty old compared to Harris.
Especially since the Democrats keep calling the GOP undemocratic.
Trump tried to subvert the actual democratic process and called on his VP to act illegally and the Democrats went with the second in command after Biden stepped aside.
Totally the same.
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