[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

No. He's an unrestricted free agent who exercised his rights. As did the Flames

So we can't discuss how we got here? Based on all reporting he was offered a deal and countered with a deal including more term and potentially more money.

If you don't want to talk about it move along

Seems he was given very bad advice though the the deal he signs will likely be worse than the one he turned down. This idea (probably that of the agent) that he was in a position of strength was woefully misguided.

[The Yen Man]

My stance throughout this is that both sides are in the right, and no one looks bad in this situation.

Flames have acted in good faith throughout this ordeal, and given Kylington all the time in the world to work through his troubles. But from what he's shown since coming back, objectively based on just his on ice performance, he doesn't really warrant a long term deal. It's totally fair for them to want to negotiate a shorter term deal, as with any other player based on performance alone.

And Kylington is also in the right to test free agency should he choose to. He's earned that right, and doesn't "owe" the Flames anything.

If, at the end of the day, both sides can't come to an agreement, I would hope it's a mutal understanding and respect for one another, and both sides move on. Why does there need to be a good side / bad side in this?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So we can't discuss how we got here? Based on all reporting he was offered a deal and countered with a deal including more term and potentially more money.

If you don't want to talk about it move along

Seems he was given very bad advice though the the deal he signs will likely be worse than the one he turned down

You seem to be very intent on saying he did something wrong or didn't handle this well. Which is consistent with your shtick that as soon as someone is an ex-Flame they suck.

As someone said. He exercised his free agency rights. The Flames signed a different dman.

No one did anything wrong here.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's the idea that they went "above and beyond" that some disagree with. This shouldn't be considered above and beyond, this should be how things are handled as a baseline.

With that said, I have no issue with the team not be willing to commitment beyond a 1 year deal. That's prudent.

And I have no issue with him wanting a 2 year deal and exploring if he can get that elsewhere.

no one is in the wrong here, from my view.

Nor is anything owed by one party to the other.

thank you

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You seem to be very intent on saying he did something wrong or didn't handle this well. Which is consistent with your shtick that as soon as someone is an ex-Flame they suck.

As someone said. He exercised his free agency rights. The Flames signed a different dman.

No one did anything wrong here.

I mean its looking like his camp didn't handle it well...like you said, the Flames signed someone else...Oliver doesn't have an NHL contract.

I never said he sucked so you can stop that BS...I said he was not in a position of strength to be making contract demands. The best thing he could have done IMO is signed the deal and had a good year like any other player with something to prove.

Players make poor decisions that backfire all the time, not sure why we aren't allowed to discuss it in this case.

Bottom pair dman that has played 33 games in the last two years should take whatever he can get, don't want to be the guy left without a chair.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean its looking like his camp didn't handle it well...like you said, the Flames signed someone else...Oliver doesn't have an NHL contract.

Doesn't have an NHL contract yet is the point

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

With mental health, it's very difficult for teams to check an see is he is indeed completely healed.

That is indeed the difficulty. Kylington himself can't know if something will cause his condition to flare up again sometime in the future.

In this respect, mental illness is rather like cancer. There's generally a risk of recurrence.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Doesn't have an NHL contract yet is the point

Fair but he is taking a big risk, the chances he ends up with something better than what he has already turned down is low IMO...not worth it, bad advise.
He wouldn't be the first player to overplay their hand

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That is indeed the difficulty. Kylington himself can't know if something will cause his condition to flare up again sometime in the future.

In this respect, mental illness is rather like cancer. There's generally a risk of recurrence.

Yeah, with so little people, or we know about mental illness that sadly, I'm sure some out there still think it's a fake job. I, myself have depression for a long time, and still flare up on and off. People don't understand one do not fake depression, one only fake being ok.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Fair but he is taking a big risk, the chances he ends up with something better than what he has already turned down is low IMO...not worth it, bad advise.
He wouldn't be the first player to overplay their hand

The other factor is opportunity. The Flames D core is very weak outside of the top 2. He would have been given big minutes and a chance to really establish himself as a reliable NHL defenseman that could garner a sizeable pay raise after the "show me" contract.

[dino7c]

Players turning down contract offers from the Flames haven't aged well lately

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Yeah, with so little people, or we know about mental illness that sadly, I'm sure some out there still think it's a fake job. I, myself have depression for a long time, and still flare up on and off. People don't understand one do not fake depression, one only fake being ok.

Yup. I've had trouble with depression for ages. Seemed to be doing OK, but when my eyesight started to go, it really threw me into a dark place.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808612080079286590

[dammage79]

3x3 is my guess. I was okay if they signed him to 4x4 so I think Conroy alway had a plan for Shilly. And that was a 1 year deal. Just to ensure he's back back.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808612080079286590

Take everything else out...I know some people are more emotional about this player but pretend its a knee injury and this is terrible advice, presumably from the agent.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dammage79

3x3 is my guess. i was okay if they signed him to 4x4 so i think conroy alway had a plan for shilly. And that was a 1 year deal. Just to ensure he's back back.

wat! that would be ridiculous

[Rhett44]

The thing is most people will say they are all for mental health initiatives, but a lot are virtue signalling. Mental health is very misunderstood.

Mike Babcock was a huge "supporter" of mental health initiatives. But then it came out he was bullying his players and was just a complete a hole to so many people.

I can guarantee Conroy wished Kylington all the best and the two are on very good terms still. Conroy is a good human being. He understands this is business, and mental health is not a quid pro quo thing where Kylington now owes the Flames.

[SuperMatt18]

3 or more years makes more sense for the Flames to walk away IMO.

I doubt they would have walked away from 2 years which was why I said it was weird before, but if Kylington is asking for 3+ then I could see why they would have been hesitant to do that.

(I still would have been fine with 3 years depending on the cap hit, but get why the team would be hesitant)

[Vinny01]

I can understand the want for longer term security but I would be shocked to see a team do it. The Flames paid Kylington $5M for 33 games on his last contract. All that aside a one year deal makes a huge amount of sense for the player. He would have a top 4 opportunity here and either gets a long term deal here or elsewhere. I still hope he comes back

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Players turning down contract offers from the Flames haven't aged well lately

One has to wonder why Calgary is offering more money than any other team in these contracts?