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[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Is coach Q hireable in the NHL again?

Sorry but if the Flames hired Quenneville it would be very easy for me to stop being a Flames fan.

His actions in the Beach investigation makes him a scumbag in my books.

[mile]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Is coach Q hireable in the NHL again?

He still needs permission from Bettman.

Update from Dreger over a month ago: https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...urn-to-the-nhl

“We know that Joel has been working with Kim Davis, the executive vice president of the National Hockey League for quite some time, most of this season in fact and he’s scheduled to do a call with American Hockey League coaches next month to share some of the lessons that he has learned. Meanwhile, Stan Bowman, former general manager of the Blackhawks, has also been working with Kim Davis, but he also continues to work alongside Sheldon Kennedy and the Respect Group. Both of these guys, Bowman and Quenneville, are hopeful they will get back in the National Hockey League, but for the moment they are happy to be involved with the process that they are.”

If I had to bet he’ll probably allowed to return next season.

Obviously a great coach and probably a better fit for this roster than Sutter, but I would feel icky if the Flames hired him. I doubt it would happen anyways

[PugnaciousIntern]

Thanks crew, agreed. I want a good coach, and anticipate that Sutter’s days are numbered, but I don’t want Q. While technically he could get approval, I don’t think the Flames would end up hiring him. For whatever faults the team has, they at least appear to maintain a moral compass when it comes to bringing on players and other staff. And when things like Peters came to light, it was pretty clear what was going to happen.

And then there’s the question of whether his rocky road will hinder his effectiveness. He seemed to be a great coach before all of this came to light, but how would you feel as a prospect going to a training camp with Q leading the show? It would undermine his trust with players and I don’t think he could ever steer a team through brick walls again.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Thanks crew, agreed. I want a good coach, and anticipate that Sutter’s days are numbered, but I don’t want Q. While technically he could get approval, I don’t think the Flames would end up hiring him. For whatever faults the team has, they at least appear to maintain a moral compass when it comes to bringing on players and other staff. And when things like Peters came to light, it was pretty clear what was going to happen.

And then there’s the question of whether his rocky road will hinder his effectiveness. He seemed to be a great coach before all of this came to light, but how would you feel as a prospect going to a training camp with Q leading the show? It would undermine his trust with players and I don’t think he could ever steer a team through brick walls again.

Why not? Positive change can happen through education, especially through people like Sheldon Kennedy. Rehabilitating people like coach Q is exactly what the NHL needs. The first step is to acknowledge the problem and implement the steps to create that change. Absolutely coach Q won't be the same person when he comes back, but he will have changed and have the opportunity to set better practices and higher standards. As a coach he will just have to find new and better ways to provide a winning environment through building meaningful relationships. The NHL needs an opportunity to see that the strict steps they have taken and implemented have had a positive effect and that those involved will now be better equiped to ensure that all players feel safe, protected and respected. The time of hardcore coaches, players who are bullies with hurtful attitudes and practices is becoming a thing of the past. People make mistakes at all levels, so it is important that the people involved are rehabed and part of the solution since they have been there.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Why not? Positive change can happen through education, especially through people like Sheldon Kennedy. Rehabilitating people like coach Q is exactly what the NHL needs. The first step is to acknowledge the problem and implement the steps to create that change. Absolutely coach Q won't be the same person when he comes back, but he will have changed and have the opportunity to set better practices and higher standards. As a coach he will just have to find new and better ways to provide a winning environment through building meaningful relationships. The NHL needs an opportunity to see that the strict steps they have taken and implemented have had a positive effect and that those involved will now be better equiped to ensure that all players feel safe, protected and respected. The time of hardcore coaches, players who are bullies with hurtful attitudes and practices is becoming a thing of the past. People make mistakes at all levels, so it is important that the people involved are rehabed and part of the solution since they have been there.

The point I was making was not against JQ’s ability to learn and change, it was about the perspective that his players would have towards him, in particular the younger players. Agreed that he has probably learned a lesson throughout this and is a different person. But those impressions are hard to shake, particularly in a profession where the psychology of others including buy-in are paramount. It would be a different story if he was an accountant.

[CGY12]

Personally, super happy to see the reaction of Lindholm and Backlund, to questions about resigning. Indirectly its much more clear cut to management, to gage the feelings of pending UFAs, whoever is in charge shouldn't be taking a risk beyond the trade deadline soley based on these clips. We aren't in a position or close to a position where we can take a gamble on players who aren't signing on the dotted line before the deadline. Johnny burned us and it better not ever happen again, I don't care where we are in the standings.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sorry but if the Flames hired Quenneville it would be very easy for me to stop being a Flames fan.

His actions in the Beach investigation makes him a scumbag in my books.

Sorry I'm not really up on the subject, how much was Quenneville involved in the Beach situation? has it been determined he helped in hiding the truth?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Sorry I'm not really up on the subject, how much was Quenneville involved in the Beach situation? has it been determined he helped in hiding the truth?

The investigation, which was made public Tuesday, revealed that Quenneville was aware of the situation and took part in at least one meeting regarding the allegations during the 2010 postseason. Quenneville had previously said he only learned of the allegations in the summer of 2021 "through the media."
In an interview with TSN on Wednesday, Beach said there was no way Quenneville was unaware of the allegations.
"I've witnessed meetings, right after I reported it to [Blackhawks mental skills coach] James Gary, that were held in Joel Quenneville's office. There's absolutely no way that he can deny knowing it," Beach said.
According to recollections from former Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman in the investigation report, Quenneville, after learning of the Aldrich allegations, "shook his head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were [the playoffs] and they could not deal with this issue now."

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...ual-abuse-case

[Cali Panthers Fan]

He handled the situation wrong and prioritized his own personal/team success over the well being of an individual young player. It was bad, but he's not a monster. He was largely unaware, but then made the wrong call once he was aware.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Interesting, Lindholm and Huberdeau didn't seem to connect after all the talk when Huberdeau arrived. Then there was the Sutter comment that Lindholm was missing Johnny. Maybe there was some friction and moreso because there was no core or leader that the players could get behind.

Wonder where Markstrom stands in all this as he is a fellow Swed

Well, if there is anything between Lindholm and Huberdeau, which is doubtful, Markstrom isn't getting involved. He had high praise for Huberdeau in his interview yesterday, check it out if you haven't.

[Britflamesfan]

Judging by his facial looks Lindholm is not a happy chappy. Looked extremely disgruntled I don't think he is staying. Backlund is off as well, I would say, the club is a complete mess and really needs to do a Washington and unload all the top management. The GM has to go as he has put the club in a terrible position, he has had a longer go at GM than most and he has utterly failed. No to Conroy taking over and and even bigger no to Sutter taking over.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I really doubt the Flames would even consider Quenneville. If they fire Sutter, I wouldn’t be shocked if the next coach was an internal hire

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He handled the situation wrong and prioritized his own personal/team success over the well being of an individual young player. It was bad, but he's not a monster. He was largely unaware, but then made the wrong call once he was aware.

It might shock people but I agree with this, depemnding on sincerity of the present attitude, etc. It's not a big surprise to me that a coach would take that approach. And I believe people can become better. To deny a chance to demonstrate it is counterproductive IMO.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I really doubt the Flames would even consider Quenneville. If they fire Sutter, I wouldn’t be shocked if the next coach was an internal hire

A few players that I know have played for Sutter and Quenneville. And they both said the two coaches are very similar in how they coach, interact with players and systems wise. So if the current group is not fond of Sutter they won't like Quenneville.

[Flamesfan05]

This team performed like they did 2 yrs ago and 2 yrs before that and before that.
Not sure why it’s a surprise. If Huberdeau steps up, they may have a good year next year. Lindholm and Back can be pissed all they want but next year is contract year. They’ll play for a contract.

[Rick M.]

I wonder when Tre and Sutter will speak to the media.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I wonder when Tre and Sutter will speak to the media.

Steinberg is predicting Monday or Tuesday at the latest. If nothing's been announced prior to the presser, I don't think we'll get any announcement during the presser.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Steinberg is predicting Monday or Tuesday at the latest. If nothing's been announced prior to the presser, I don't think we'll get any announcement during the presser.

I hope it's good news.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He handled the situation wrong and prioritized his own personal/team success over the well being of an individual young player. It was bad, but he's not a monster. He was largely unaware, but then made the wrong call once he was aware.

And lied about it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It might shock people but I agree with this, depemnding on sincerity of the present attitude, etc. It's not a big surprise to me that a coach would take that approach. And I believe people can become better. To deny a chance to demonstrate it is counterproductive IMO.

Coach Q while what he did was wrong it's not like he was in the loop the whole time and just shrugged it off.

He should have stepped up at that point.

This isn't like that Bruins prospect who tortured a special needs kid and was a racist and continued to hunt him down. People like that doesn't deserve a second chance.