[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[lazypucker]

Even if all details for no trade clauses are stored in a NHL central registry, why will the players/agents think these details will be exposed? It's not like the NHL will announce that Dadonov lists Anaheim on his no-go list the moment that is filed.

The NHL must have a trade compliance officer to comb through the details on every trade to make sure it doesn't violate any cap limits or NTC/NMC clauses.

I still don't know how and why the league approved the Eichel trade as it violated Vegas's cap limit.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I still don't know how and why the league approved the Eichel trade as it violated Vegas's cap limit.

Or approved Kane's contract termination when it was found inconclusive (or whatever). League is bush sometimes.

[Chingas]

I still believe that Vegas should have spoken to the player and or agent prior to shopping him. It's not like the decision is being made from corporate office in New York and you are firing a secretary in your rural office in Montana. They have up to 50 player employees. Not sure why there is such a curtain between management and players.

[GioforPM]

So all the evidence that Ottawa is at fault seems to come only from Vegas, and the strongest words I saw were that Ottawa “led them to believe” that the clause was inactive. That’s pretty weak sauce. Especially for a conversation and not correspondence.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I still don't know how and why the league approved the Eichel trade as it violated Vegas's cap limit.

I think the NHL was just sick of the drama between Eichel and Buffalo, and the media attention around it. There were rumours that the NHL was pressuring Buffalo to make a deal and they probably just approved whatever deal that could land Buffalo the best return.

Someone mentioned that the league doesn't require no-trade clause team lists because they want to protect the secrecy of the team and cities on the lists, but that doesn't make sense to me. Why would any of that information have to be made public? If they can't trust the person at head office taking the trade calls, then maybe they need to look at replacing that employee.

Lots of people have jobs where they handle confidential information and part of the job is having an agreement to keep the information confidential. It's not that hard.

[GioforPM]

Eichel’s trade didn’t violate the cap at the time did it? Because he was on LTIR before and after the trade. Or is there a millisecond when he isn’t in the trade process?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Lots of people have jobs where they handle confidential information and part of the job is having an agreement to keep the information confidential. It's not that hard.

Apparently it is in the NHL...too many "old boys" and "buddies" hanging around discussing things. Yah - it's bush. I worked for 20 years under contract with a group and an NDA and never discussed diddly with anyone who wasn't authorized. Agreed - it's not hard...but hockey players aren't blessed with closed mouths. Look at all the trade leaks. That's probably why.

But the guy who runs NHL Central Registry is apparently totally anal, too...so one would think that he could hire people who are "outside" the hockey system and who in fact can keep their mouths closed.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Eichel’s trade didn’t violate the cap at the time did it? Because he was on LTIR before and after the trade. Or is there a millisecond when he isn’t in the trade process?

I don't think he was on the the LTIR when Buffalo traded him. He was on regular IR and Vegas put him on LTIR after they acquired him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They were lead to believe he did not have a valid NTC any longer because it wasn't sent to Ottawa by the agent.

That has since been disproven.

So in their mind, there was nothing left to be talked about as far as the player or the agent.

None of this is confirmed, and even if it is true it doesn’t change that it’s bad business practice by the Knights.

Even Burke said in his example that he reached out to the player to confirm that his NTC was no longer valid and that he’d trade him.

Taking something that was said 9 months prior on call, and not validating that with the actual player/agent involved is just bad leadership/business even if it’s not 100% your fault.

This oversight just cost the Knights millions, and might cause them to miss the playoffs this year.

If I’m the owner of that team I’m not going “It’s okay you were just going by what Ottawa told you, why would you ever check that with Dadonov or his agent directly in the last 8 months”

Honestly I don’t trust any leaks that come out in situations like this. Of course Vegas is going to leak Ottawa is at fault, it’s covering their own butt. IMO it’s more likely that Vegas was trying to be a bit sneaky here, and had Anaheim as the only interested team but knew that he was potentially on the NTC.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Eichel’s trade didn’t violate the cap at the time did it? Because he was on LTIR before and after the trade. Or is there a millisecond when he isn’t in the trade process?

IIRC Stone and Pacioretty were both hurt. So I think Vegas had room to add him with those two on LTIR, and then once he’s on the roster they were able to add him to LTIR as well.

Then Pacioretty was reactivated shortly after.

[D as in David]

Re: secrecy of the lists - as I suggested earlier, the contents of the list do not need to be shared (openly or otherwise) but only that the list has been submitted.

Also, a "trust but verify" approach from Vegas would have covered their butts here.

[PeteMoss]

Despite some's objections - I do think this is a red flag that Vegas is manipulating LTIR. Even if you say we aren't doctors and we don't know - which is true - why would they make this trade unless they were expecting to activate someone from LTIR.

The only other reason to make this trade would be that Dadonov is such a locker room issue that you are willing to eat a 2nd round pick to get him off the team.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Despite some's objections - I do think this is a red flag that Vegas is manipulating LTIR. Even if you say we aren't doctors and we don't know - which is true - why would they make this trade unless they were expecting to activate someone from LTIR.

The only other reason to make this trade would be that Dadonov is such a locker room issue that you are willing to eat a 2nd round pick to get him off the team.

It 100% is but the league doesnt care. Some of the talking heads mention that the league does care and that they do their due diligence on these all the time, but when has a LTIR cap circumvention issue ever gone beyond that.

Granted this Vegas case is more aggregious than the Tampa one, and could ultimately cost them their season sitting out their captian and one of their top D.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

It gets even better this summer. ALL their top salary guys, every one but one, has a NM-NTC clause. The one guy without it??? Jack Eichel! They may have to trade their shiny new toy to get out of cap jail.

Only Stone and Pieterangelo have NMC.

Anyone else with a NTC has to submit a list of teams that they won't be traded to. According to Cap Friendly it is either 5, 8 or 10, depending on what the players agreed to when they signed their contracts.

It won't be that hard for Vegas to make a change in the off-season.

[dino7c]

Exactly, if this trade went through somebody is healthy enough to play and come off LTIR. Since it didn't they aren't lol

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Shouldn't happen if the player has an agent.... otherwise wtf are you paying him for

The agent can only hold the players hand so long. If the player can't make up his mind on which teams he wants to include on the list before the deadline then the blame can't be solely put on the agent.

[midniteowl]

If I'm understanding this correctly, Ottawa did not volunteer the no trade list at the time of the trade to Vegas. But did Vegas ask to see if he has such a list? Or they did ask but Ottawa lied and said he doesn't have one? If they did ask and Ottawa lied then Ottawa should be punished. But if Vegas didn't bother to ask, then shouldn't the onus on Vegas?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Exactly, if this trade went through somebody is healthy enough to play and come off LTIR. Since it didn't they aren't lol

Actually, since it was was the trade deadline, the most that can be assumed is that they had a reasonable expectation that they might need the cap space sometime this year. It's not like they could wait.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If I'm understanding this correctly, Ottawa did not volunteer the no trade list at the time of the trade to Vegas. But did Vegas ask to see if he has such a list? Or they did ask but Ottawa lied and said he doesn't have one? If they did ask and Ottawa lied then Ottawa should be punished. But if Vegas didn't bother to ask, then shouldn't the onus on Vegas?

When a trade call is made, the players contract is reviewed including No trade clauses.

On the trade call that sent Dadonov to Vegas, what is being reported, is when the league brought up Dadonov's no trade list and if it would block the trade, the Sens said or implied that Dadonov missed the deadline to submit his no trade list and therefore his NTC was invalidated and there wasn't a no trade list to forward to Vegas.

Whether the Sens knowingly lied or made a mistake is unknown. The Sens aren't commenting on it and given how loose (and nonexistant) the rules are for players and teams on submitting no trade lists, we may never know.

But logically, there wasn't much for the Sens to gain by lying about Dadonov missing the deadline so most likely the Sens made a mistake.

[D as in David]

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