Russia invades Ukraine

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Evidence to the contrary.

Yeah. I don't think all-out war would happen based on that. If anything they would take him to Russia and stow him somewhere remote to waste away, and perhaps quietly dispose of him. Probably have an 'accident'.

[wwkayaker]

From BNO News: BREAKING: Ukraine's interior ministry says men between the ages of 18 and 60 are banned from leaving the country.

[JoseCuervo]

https://twitter.com/theonlyemilio/st...oxZiLkmElocHEA


Javelins getting a good workout, a Ukrainian military official told me just now.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Evidence to the contrary.

I think you're underestimating how terribly close this is to a complete meltdown in Europe.

A move like the OP suggested by Russia to execute Zelenskyy or even some kind of psychotic maneuver from Lukashenko in Belarus that Putin doesn't endorse, could set off a chain of events that nobody can pull back from.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

https://twitter.com/theonlyemilio/st...oxZiLkmElocHEA


Javelins getting a good workout, a Ukrainian military official told me just now.

You both like Orange Julius?

[FlameOn]

UK pushing hard to remove Russia from SWIFT, German's calling it drastic. When you watch your neighbour get invaded and you call cutting off banking services to the aggressor drastic? Like they can't even stomach taking a wallet hit.

Western leaders are split on whether Russia should be ejected from the Swift international payments system, a move that would deliver a heavy blow to the country’s banks and its ability to trade beyond its borders.

Boris Johnson, the UK prime minister, on Thursday pushed “very hard” to remove Russia, according to officials, but he admitted to MPs that it was “vital that we have unity” on the issue among western allies.

Olaf Scholz, Germany’s chancellor, warned his country had reservations about such a dramatic move and so did the EU, according to officials close to sanctions negotiations. A German official declined to comment, saying only that “all options are still on the table”.

Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine’s minister of foreign affairs, tweeted: “Everyone who now doubts whether Russia should be banned from Swift has to understand that the blood of innocent Ukrainian men, women and children will be on their hands too.”

Johnson has faced criticism in the UK for deploying what critics described as “peashooter” sanctions in response to the first stage of Russian aggression in Ukraine; he is now trying to push western colleagues to deploy very tough reprisals.

He pushed for international support for Russia to be cut out of the Swift system in a call with G7 leaders on Thursday. Officials briefed on the call said Canada had also been in favour.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%...d-316db7bdaf03

[devo22]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

UK pushing hard to remove Russia from SWIFT, German's calling it drastic. When you watch your neighbour get invaded and you call cutting off banking services to the aggressor drastic? Like they can't even stomach taking a wallet hit.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%...d-316db7bdaf03

it will eventually get done, this is just a stalling tactic. Don't underestimate how dependent our countries are on Russian gas, unfortunately ...

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I think you're underestimating how terribly close this is to a complete meltdown in Europe.

A move like the OP suggested by Russia to execute Zelenskyy or even some kind of psychotic maneuver from Lukashenko in Belarus that Putin doesn't endorse, could set off a chain of events that nobody can pull back from.

We read into NATOs word differently I suppose. If Russia doesn’t target a NATO member, no member will actively engage in military conflict. I can’t see one leader being the difference.

The situation is hairy as hell. But it doesn’t look like nato is going to get pulled into war by what happens in Ukraine, at least not the odd execution. Keep the energy flowing and response will continue to be rhetoric and financial.

‘Putin will pay...’. Yeah, you mean Russian citizens will live in misery while multi billionaires can’t purchase multimillion dollar yachts.
‘We stand with you’. Well, rhetorically. You’re actually standing alone staring down war planes.
‘A united front!’ A united front? From the bankers halls I guess.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

UK pushing hard to remove Russia from SWIFT, German's calling it drastic. When you watch your neighbour get invaded and you call cutting off banking services to the aggressor drastic? Like they can't even stomach taking a wallet hit.



https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%...d-316db7bdaf03

No cutting off swift means Germany loses 40% of its energy supply, that will kill citizens and see its economy grind to a halt, I might not agree with the self serving nature of Germanies concern but Canada and the US need to step the #### up and promise a replacement for Russian gas if they want cooperation

[timun]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

From BNO News: BREAKING: Ukraine's interior ministry says men between the ages of 18 and 60 are banned from leaving the country.

Who are BNONews? Seems a little suss; there were news stories yesterday that reported that Zelenskyy had decreed that all reservists between the ages of 18 and 60 were being drafted. https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pm...esidents-order Sounds like this is the same story, but being reported differently...

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No cutting off swift means Germany loses 40% of its energy supply, that will kill citizens and see its economy grind to a halt, I might not agree with the self serving nature of Germanies concern but Canada and the US need to step the #### up and promise a replacement for Russian gas if they want cooperation

Yea I get that they can't cold turkey overnight and are still going to be lining up to buy Russian gas transiting through Ukraine tomorrow. German's had 8 years to prepare for this day and didn't just do nothing, they made themselves more reliant on Russian gas in that time. Its stupid to just call it a drastic measure.

[Elkyiv]

Путін - хуйло!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Yea I get that they can't cold turkey overnight and are still going to be lining up to buy Russian gas transiting through Ukraine tomorrow. German's had 8 years to prepare for this day and didn't just do nothing, they made themselves more reliant on Russian gas in that time. Its stupid to just call it a drastic measure.

we had a decade to put an LNG plant into the East Coast and we haven't, that leaves Germany with little choice really

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

He doesn't need to do anything. Why do you need him to answer for something he has no control over? Get a grip. This has nothing to do with pro athletes at the moment and there will be plenty of time to dissect immaterial matters like this when people aren't being effectively murdered by a war machine invading their homeland.

Alex Ovechkin to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine in the near future

Also don't tell me to get a grip, kindly #### right off. I have family in Ukraine.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by zamler

Alex Ovechkin to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine in the near future

The hell do they need to interview him for? Nothing good can come from that. Speak out, and his family is in danger. Stick up for Putin, and the hockey world craps all over him.

He just needs to shut his mouth, play hockey, and beat the goal scoring record. Nothing more. Nothing good can come from this.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Yea I get that they can't cold turkey overnight and are still going to be lining up to buy Russian gas transiting through Ukraine tomorrow. German's had 8 years to prepare for this day and didn't just do nothing, they made themselves more reliant on Russian gas in that time. Its stupid to just call it a drastic measure.

Yup.

Too frickin' bad. Should have made better policy decisions.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by devo22

it will eventually get done, this is just a stalling tactic. Don't underestimate how dependent our countries are on Russian gas, unfortunately ...

https://www.protocol.com/policy/russ...ne#toggle-gdpr

Fearing crypto and China, the US hesitates to pull Russia’s SWIFT access

Yet for all the aggressive posturing, the U.S. coalition has seemingly backtracked on SWIFT, deciding not to block Russian access to the international payments communication system. Pundits have come to refer to SWIFT sanctions as “the nuclear option.” But some policy experts say this characterization is wildly overstated, arguing instead that SWIFT sanctions wouldn’t be nearly as effective as those directly targeting Russian banks.

So why are sanctions against Russian banks still on the table, while cutting off SWIFT access has been deemed a step too far? There’s a simple answer: Removing Russian access would constitute an economic shock that U.S. politicians and corporations would rather not instigate.

There’s a more complicated and consequential explanation, however, that has to do with anxiety over the U.S. dollar’s status as global reserve currency. SWIFT sanctions, rather than being a “nuclear option” thwarting Russia, could be the first domino in a sequence of events that bolster China- and Russia-backed alternative digital payment systems.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

we had a decade to put an LNG plant into the East Coast and we haven't, that leaves Germany with little choice really

East or West coast wouldn't matter tremendously beyond a few extra days of transit but we can't do either can we?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by zamler

Alex Ovechkin to discuss Russia’s attack on Ukraine in the near future

Also don't tell me to get a grip, kindly #### right off. I have family in Ukraine.

Settle down, dude. He's right. This has nothing to do with pro athletes, geez. And of course Russian athletes can be forgiven for being pro-Russia. If they're not, it can have consequences for the people they love.

Also, who the fata cares what some hockey player thinks - or has been coerced into "thinking" - about this, anyway?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

He just needs to shut his mouth, play hockey, and beat the goal scoring record. Nothing more. Nothing good can come from this.

He didn't seem to mind endorsing Putin, now he needs to shut up? That makes him a coward.