[GDT] Preseason #4: VAN @ CGY. 7pm MT. SN1

[stemit14]

Don’t know if many people noticed but Zadorov tried to step up for a second monster open ice hit later in the game and just missed. It was going to be even bigger than the the first one had he connected. The way he was lining it up was super reminiscent of the young Phaneuf hits. In fact, it was not exactly a great play because it put him out of position and almost lead to an odd man rush (also somewhat similar to young Phaneuf hits) but there was a strong backcheck from the flames’ forwards so nothing came of it.


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[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Flames finished 16th in the NHL in PIMs last year. Nowhere near last.

But there's no correlation between taking penalties and having playoff success. The final four teams in the playoffs finished 1st, 13th, 20th, and 29th in PIMs in 2020–21.

OK and.... what where those pics broken down ? Trippinings, slashes, too many men, hooking? What's your point? Is it they were 16yh in pics so they must have been a tough team?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Don’t know if many people noticed but Zadorov tried to step up for a second monster open ice hit later in the game and just missed. It was going to be even bigger than the the first one had he connected. The way he was lining it up was super reminiscent of the young Phaneuf hits. In fact, it was not exactly a great play because it put him out of position and almost lead to an odd man rush (also somewhat similar to young Phaneuf hits) but there was a strong backcheck from the flames’ forwards so nothing came of it.


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That missed hit was on Dowlings. That would have been a good one.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Agree that removing both would help eliminate concussions to a greater extent. But Fighting and hitting are not even close to the same realm when it comes to being “part of the game”. It’s just a straw man argument that people use to defend fighting when really it’s not part of the game.

Maybe at one point in the future the game could evolve to being more like the women’s game with no hitting but that’s a structural change to the sport that would beed to happen at youth levels to start.

You could take fighting out of every level of hockey starting tomorrow and the game wouldn’t change at all. It’s already illegal, it just needs to be penalized more severely and you could get rid of it completely.

And I say this as a complete hypocrite. I love a good hockey fight (a real one that happens naturally, not the staged BS) but from a player safety perspective and in terms of it actually being a valuable part of the sport it really could be eliminated tomorrow with no real impact.

A hit causes a much larger whiplash effect within the skull than a punch does. Your brain bounces around much more. I work in an industry that studies this ALOT. Your brain doesn't play ping pong with itself like after a hit.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

First part just isn’t true. We already had Lucic, Ritchie, and Rinaldo on the team last season.

Guys like Coleman and Zadorov help because they can actually take a regular shift while providing a bit of an edge.

A guy like Gudbranson doesn’t bring anything that guys like Lucic or Ritchie don’t already bring. And unless he takes steps forwards under Sutter he makes our d-core worse in terms of actual play.

Rinaldo isn’t tough. He’s scared of a needle.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yeah, sometimes... but I'm not assuming Mackey can fight. He did it multiple times with Stockton last year (I watched all of them).

If Mackey didn't want to fight that's fine but I don't think Gudbranson needed to do anything more than a few shoves to the body with the gloves on. Did the situation really warrant a full-on beatdown? Not even close, IMO. But that's all I have to say about that.

Offers an Opinion . Won't break it down to as why. I think it did and I laid it out to as why.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Don’t know if many people noticed but Zadorov tried to step up for a second monster open ice hit later in the game and just missed. It was going to be even bigger than the the first one had he connected. The way he was lining it up was super reminiscent of the young Phaneuf hits. In fact, it was not exactly a great play because it put him out of position and almost lead to an odd man rush (also somewhat similar to young Phaneuf hits) but there was a strong backcheck from the flames’ forwards so nothing came of it.


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Even with a miss the psychological advantages will be good, players will notice him on the ice and it'll change their game for the worst, Phaneuf was effective at this until the rule changes. He just wasn't smart enough to adapt to those.

[PaperBagger'14]

Was there not a gif party? Wtf is wrong with y'all

[dino7c]

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

F*** yeah thank you

[AC]

[getbak]

[Dion]

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He brought his career into it, actually. I didn't attack him, just criticized his view.

You hate fighting, which is fine. But you let that get to you and then you post emotional #### like this.

You know exactly what you were doing.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Going to be interesting to see which bubble D get cut. Kylington and Mackey have both looked good, but Gudbranson is not getting cut (IMO) and Hanifin still hasn't played.

1. Hanifin
2. Andersson
3. Tanev
4. Zadorov
5. Valimaki
6. Gudbranson

So despite Kylington and Mackey both looking good, there is a chance neither make the opening day roster.

Good problem to have I guess.

Just a gut feeling, but I would say that Valimaki and Mackey will be the 7/8 defense based on their performance so far, but they'll probably cycle into the lineup semi-regularly. Kylington seems to be ready for prime time this year.

Hanifin/Andersson
Kylington/Tanev
Zadorov/Gudbranson

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Just a gut feeling, but I would say that Valimaki and Mackey will be the 7/8 defense based on their performance so far, but they'll probably cycle into the lineup semi-regularly. Kylington seems to be ready for prime time this year.

Hanifin/Andersson
Kylington/Tanev
Zadorov/Gudbranson

I agree that Kylington has looked good in the preseason paired with Tanev. I think he has firmly put himself in contention for the 6 and 7 spot. I wouldn't look too much into his play with Tanev though.

He is simply filling Hanafins slot, and he gets to play with the teams best D-man against preseason competition while he does it. Good on em for looking good while doing it, but I wouldn't be penciling him into the top 4, at least not yet.

I hope he gets there though. This team needs some speed in the top 4, and he certainly brings that. Kylington has been the best surprise of the preseason so far. Really hoping he can keep it up.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I'd want him to help out a slower d-man who can add the physical element that Kylington lacks, so it probably makes sense to have him with any of Zadorov, Gudbranson, or Stone. But I'd really like to see him in a top four position this year.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Or maybe he’s allowed to have a different opinion than you.

Fighting in a preseason game is pretty useless and honestly it’s pretty much useless 95% of the time in a normal game too.

That sure sounds like an opinion in and of itself.....different than others even

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

You know exactly what you were doing.

Yeah, dunking on a kids future because he doesn’t like fighting. What a dick response. Some of you can be beyond pathetic sometimes.

You can disagree with the take and leave out the unnecessary “if you want to work in this field”. Jesus. ####ing loser.

[Heavy Jack]

Late to the conversation but honestly who ever brought in Scorps profession as part of the debate for his stance on fighting and how it could marginalize his content if he isn’t careful… and to the posters who’ve piled on to that notion… really?? You’re blind if you haven’t noticed a heavier and more urgent debate around fighting in the NHL, it’s general purpose at this stage in the game and how it relates to injuries and has lead to tragic ends of life… it’s a hot topic and Scorp has every right to report his uneasiness and dislike about fights without worrying that it will affect his brand. I’m for fighting in the right moments but I’d be lying if I didn’t worry for the two men chucking the knuckles every single time because it’s quality of life that’s hanging in the balance and life is a lot longer than a 30 second tilt regardless of how entertaining or exciting fans get or how necessary the act itself is within the context of the game or the response within the game.

Scorp ignore the angle being taken by some here, it’s utterly a ridiculous stance and to me your stance on fighting should not and won’t bare any negative ramifications to your professionalism or brand within your field, from peers or readers alike and I appreciate the side of this argument you’re lending your voice to as I do think it’s important.