Theoren Fleury

[MoneyGuy]

I don’t know what a life coach is and who the f needs one. How long before they start declaring themselves doctors like chiropractors?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I don’t know what a life coach is and who the f needs one. How long before they start declaring themselves doctors like chiropractors?

And Naturopaths? I'm sure its happening already.

[photon]

At best maybe a life coach could be a paid friend, someone to listen to you and help you talk through your s**t and get some gentle nudging or amateur advice.

Life coach is to friendship as is sex worker is to sexual partner.

I know one and she does have her life pretty well together, pretty successful (though not sure how much of that is the actual coaching). Buuut...

Originally Posted by Locke

Most of them tend to think that they've had some sort of messianic epiphany via some sort of 'Eureka' moment and that they view life and the world from a different perspective than the unenlightened.

The one I know probably leans more towards this end of the scale, maybe not messianic but "I've done all the 'research' so my opinions are correct" level. They are super religious too so it tracks.

I remember when they told us to stop using our microwave because it was bad for us.

I guess a life coach is like a non-religious pastor or priest that you have to pay instead of paying tithes (which are kind of optional though one church I went to would talk to you if you weren't tithing, not sure what would happen if you didn't start).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by photon

The one I know probably leans more towards this end of the scale, maybe not messianic but "I've done all the 'research' so my opinions are correct" level. They are super religious too so it tracks.

I remember when they told us to stop using our microwave because it was bad for us.

I guess a life coach is like a non-religious pastor or priest that you have to pay instead of paying tithes (which are kind of optional though one church I went to would talk to you if you weren't tithing, not sure what would happen if you didn't start).

Theres a few things here.

First of all, the concept of 'Research' is something that has had its reputation's face kicked in over the past several years.

I dont think people understand what 'Research' actually means anymore, because the vast majority of people seem to think it means that they Googled something until they found validation for the opinions they already held.

As opposed to objectively trying to learn and understand issues and ideas from a variety of sources to offer weight and counter-weight.

Further, thats really the sticky thing about opinions. Strictly speaking, 'opinions' cant be correct. Thats why they're opinions and not facts.

And finally, thats the thing about coaching. Hey...I was a soccer coach for over a decade. I have a lot of experience playing and a lot of experience from coaching. That experience meant that I saw things a little differently, from a different perspective. I'm not the greatest soccer coach (objectively!) and I'm not the worst (subjectively!)

But coaching isnt magic, its just perspective. Thats all it really is. The crux of the matter tends to be that the active participant in an event, whether its a sporting event, or life, has to focus on the 'here and now' and occasionally loses sight of the broader perspective in order to effectively accomplish immediate objectives.

From a Sports angle, thats why the coach is there. To watch the broader picture and manage things that others are focused on executing immediately.

I dont know your friend, what you said in your first sentence is actually quite astute and I think is something we as a society are not understanding is something that we're losing.

An outside voice, a different perspective, that offers a gentle nudge or a concept you may not have thought of either yourself or within your insulated circle.

I noticed this at first during the height of the Pandemic, but people isolating into insulated circles and not interacting as much with people outside of these tightly controlled groups were losing grips with society.

[photon]

Yeah, your family and friends are usually those people that give you that outside perspective, and if that was all a life coach was doing maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

But in order to say "I'm a life coach" and start charging money just seems like requires a whole different level of confidence (or hubris?) to the point I doubt they're going to be like the supportive family/friend (or the experienced therapist) and instead be more like the self professed guru.

But yeah good point about the pandemic.. and politically things are more polarized than ever which may filter friends and family too.

Research these days amounts to "I've read these 3 websites that affirm my belief that microwaves make food radioactive and unhealthy."

[Snuffleupagus]

A good friend of mine is a marriage counselor, she told me the pandemic has changed a lot of people and a lot of relationships are splitting up because they couldn't agree on vaccines for their kids and personal freedoms, it's the most difficult situation she's ever tried to moderate. It's come down to her picking sides and letting people know citizens don't have total freedom and have never have when it comes to public health, she has old newspaper articles showing what happened to you if you caught smallpox in the late 1800's and the lockdowns during the Spanish flu a few decades later.

Still doesn't seem to matter to these spoiled meatheads.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

A good friend of mine is a marriage counselor, she told me the pandemic has changed a lot of people and a lot of relationships are splitting up because they couldn't agree on vaccines for their kids and personal freedoms, it's the most difficult situation she's ever tried to moderate. It's come down to her picking sides and letting people know citizens don't have total freedom and have never have when it comes to public health, she has old newspaper articles showing what happened to you if you caught smallpox in the late 1800's and the lockdowns during the Spanish flu a few decades later.

Still doesn't seem to matter to these spoiled meatheads.

Good for her.

I dont know when people ever thought they did considering that the concept of 'Total Freedom' is not only a complete myth but has never existed anywhere. Ever.

There is no human or animal that has ever trodden this Earth that has been exempt from responsibility or consequences.

I'm sure your friend the Marriage Counselor is making good bank these days though. Its gotta be like when the Clampets first fired their shotgun into the ground.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Locke

And Naturopaths? I'm sure its happening already.

It is happening. I listened to a podcast with a former naturopath a few weeks ago and she had nothing good to say about the profession and the educational standards required (at least in the US).

In some states you can call yourself a doctor if you are a naturopath and that's without ever having treated a patient in any setting. It's a joke that Chiro's, or naturopaths can call themselves doctors in my opinion.

I know a life coach type. He has ZERO education in anything remotely related to mental health, nutrition etc. Just posts a bunch of Joe Rogan-esque cliche nonsense.

That said he's a really good guy, but it almost seems like these types are saying this stuff because they need to hear it. They all think they work way harder than everyone else.

[The Fisher Account]

Theo Fleury is an awful person

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Locke

Good for her.


I'm sure your friend the Marriage Counselor is making good bank these days though. Its gotta be like when the Clampets first fired their shotgun into the ground.

Lol, I mentioned that, She only takes on so many clients so no not really, I didn't ask if her rates went up though.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Theo Fleury is an awful person

This is really what it comes down to. I imagine he's always been pretty awful to be honest.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Can you imagine having Fleury as a life coach? Holy #### what has to happen for that to seem like a good idea

In my experience, many "life-coaches" and religious testimonial leaders lean heavily on their stories about how they rebuilt their lives after alcoholism, infidelity, addictions, time in jail etc. Somehow it's how they get more credibility among the gullible and vulnerable.

Half of them are also deep into manipulative toxic cults such as multi-level marketing companies and PSI seminars and can't wait to recruit others into their scams/schemes.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

A good friend of mine is a marriage counselor, she told me the pandemic has changed a lot of people and a lot of relationships are splitting up because they couldn't agree on vaccines for their kids and personal freedoms, it's the most difficult situation she's ever tried to moderate. It's come down to her picking sides and letting people know citizens don't have total freedom and have never have when it comes to public health, she has old newspaper articles showing what happened to you if you caught smallpox in the late 1800's and the lockdowns during the Spanish flu a few decades later.

Still doesn't seem to matter to these spoiled meatheads.

I don't believe that in the slightest.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I don't believe that in the slightest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasual..._sr=1&sr_nsfw=

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I don't believe that in the slightest.

A doctor my wife knows of had this situation. Husband turned into a Joe Rogan-esque type of expert on everything. The wife was the doctor.

Obviously people splitting aren't just due to these types of things, but they can be the last straw. Couples also having to spend WAY more time together during the past couple years caused a lot of issues as well.

[Yamer]

Oh I believe it's happened. I just don't believe it's a lot, and anywhere near the level to have any significance.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Oh I believe it's happened. I just don't believe it's a lot, and anywhere near the level to have any significance.

I mean it's a marriage counsellor so they would be exposed to a higher concentration of people who had fundamental disagreements during the pandemic and it probably exposed things about each other that they didn't see before. It has nothing to do with what proportion of the rest of society is experiencing these things.

It's like if someone was talking about a mechanic and how he sees broken cars everyday and you were like "I don't believe there are enough broken cars out there to have any significance"

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I mean it's a marriage counsellor so they would be exposed to a higher concentration of people who had fundamental disagreements during the pandemic and it probably exposed things about each other that they didn't see before. It has nothing to do with what proportion of the rest of society is experiencing these things.

It has precisely everything to do with proportion.

It's like if someone was talking about a mechanic and how he sees broken cars everyday and you were like "I don't believe there are enough broken cars out there to have any significance"

It's more like "I don't believe there are enough brake failures out there to have any significance attributing to broken cars".

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Oh I believe it's happened. I just don't believe it's a lot, and anywhere near the level to have any significance.

Anecdotally, I actually know a few relationships that are strained/ended due to extreme Covid/QAnon views in the last two years. It's crazy, but I guess when you go too far into theories and political views you reach a point where it becomes more important than the most important relationship in your life, whether you see it coming or not.

It's really sad.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I don't believe that in the slightest.

That's up to you, I suppose you don't believe Trump caused a lot of marriage problems and failures either.