[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

God damn.

There is some ####ing vitriol to Tanev here that people will regret real fast. Guy is a ####ing warrior and plays the right way. The pining for Brodie and Harmonic I've seen is a joke. Tanev is way more of what the Flames need than those two clowns

While I mostly agree with your post, calling Brodie and Hamonic clowns is a little much for me. Brodie was a pretty good player here for a long time, and they both contributed a lot off the ice to the community and the city.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Hall is neither of those.

Yes, I know. Its a consolation prize. Should have qualified my statement better.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

While I mostly agree with your post, calling Brodie and Hamonic clowns is a little much for me. Brodie was a pretty good player here for a long time, and they both contributed a lot off the ice to the community and the city.

You are right, no need for name calling. But Blaster is obviously soaking his tears in a bottle of scotch or vodka so it's all forgiven. His team just lost two very important pieces to their rival.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

Chris Tanev was a great defencemen for years and I think can still contribute in the right situation. But this signing is a mistake. It's too much money and too much term for a guy trending the wrong way and the Flames are going to regret it.

It's a mistake in two years. Markstrom is a mistake in 3 or 4. That does not matter. Your team is going for a cup now. Not every team is a dynasty. Not every team gradually moves on to the next. I wouldn't trade the 2011 team for anything despite the fact it meant we sucked for 6 plus years. Treliving is fixing his ####ing errors by raiding a divisional rival for now. He got a guy who will lay it all down to win while making rookies feel at home. He was the Canucks Hockey dad. Hughes numbers suffered with him, apparently, and he still said he wanted Tanev back in his exit interview.

You don't win by planning everything for down the road. Some moves are for now.

[djsFlames]

Hall
Dadanov
Toffoli
Hoffman

My order of preference for fwds.

We really do need either an addition or upgrade up front. Not sure that better goaltending alone will be enough to fuel a run of some kind.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

While I mostly agree with your post, calling Brodie and Hamonic clowns is a little much for me. Brodie was a pretty good player here for a long time, and they both contributed a lot off the ice to the community and the city.

They're clowns. Players like them were why you guys never saw round two.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They're clowns. Players like them were why you guys never saw round two.

Brodie was the team's #1 defenceman when they beat the Canucks in the first round.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They're clowns. Players like them were why you guys never saw round two.

No, that is far from the reason. There are so many reasons. Those players are aren’t even close to the top of the list.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It's a mistake in two years. Markstrom is a mistake in 3 or 4. That does not matter. Your team is going for a cup now. Not every team is a dynasty. Not every team gradually moves on to the next. I wouldn't trade the 2011 team for anything despite the fact it meant we sucked for 6 plus years. Treliving is fixing his ####ing errors by raiding a divisional rival for now. He got a guy who will lay it all down to win while making rookies feel at home. He was the Canucks Hockey dad. Hughes numbers suffered with him, apparently, and he still said he wanted Tanev back in his exit interview.

You don't win by planning everything for down the road. Some moves are for now.

This team is not in a position to compete now and just put themselves in a worse position to compete in the future.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by codynw

Brodie was the team's #1 defenceman when they beat the Canucks in the first round.

Grars on beating an over performing team whose beat players were a latvian kid who never played in the NHL again and 19 year old Bo Horvat.

What happened since then?

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They're clowns. Players like them were why you guys never saw round two.

That’s a bit harsh I think. Brodie did great work over the years. He seemed to have a brain-fart at the worst times occasionally, but overall was fantastic value for his draft position. I was only ever lukewarm on Hamonic, I’m fine with him being gone, though I wouldn’t call him a clown.

[cdnsir]

Comments in this thread is unbearable. Look at the line up, look at the expansion draft rules, think of the bottom pairing's progression in one year, digest, then consider before bitching.

Gio-Tanev
Hanafin-Andersson
Kylington/Valimaki-Petrovic

-Players with no-movement clauses who decline to waive those clauses must be protected.
First- and second-year NHL players and all unsigned draft choices are exempt from selection and do not count toward protection limits.
-One available player must be a defenseman who is under contract in 2021-22 and played at least 40 NHL games in 2020-21 or 70 games in ’19-20 and ’20-21 combined.
-Two available players must be forwards who are under contract in 2021-22 and played at least 40 NHL games in 2020-21 or 70 games in ’19-20 and ’20-21 combined.
-One available player must be a goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or who is a restricted free agent having received a qualifying offer from his team.
-Players who missed the final 60 games of the ’20-21 season or who have otherwise been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury cannot be exposed in the draft without league approval.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Grars on beating an over performing team whose beat players were a latvian kid who never played in the NHL again and 19 year old Bo Horvat.

What happened since then?

The Sedins weren’t on that team I guess...

Go to bed man, you’re the only one making yourself look like a clown at this point.

Tanev was great, but the reason the Canucks didn’t think it was prudent to give him 4 years at $4.5M is the same reason the Flames shouldn’t have either. He’s on a downward trajectory, and has limited upside outside of the first season, maybe two with this contract.

[djsFlames]

Let's not get so defensive.

An outside opinion on the matter is worth considering when you haven't had PO success in five years.

I do know we needed more stay at home defensemen that could actually play than we were dressing each night. (Hamonic was advertised as that but honestly the guy didn't do much at an nhl level after coming here)

The current formula wasn't working. So replacing brodie with more of the same in Barrie would just put us down the same path. Tanev gives us a bit of a different look.

[Saqe]

Tanev is almost 31 and never stays healthy. I like him but this is a deal that has almost no upside but possibly significant downside.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s more about the term, age, and trajectory of Tanev.

Arizona is desperate to shed salary - why not try to see if they will give you something to take Hjalmarsson or Demers off their hands?

Tampa is in a tight cap crunch...maybe you can pry a young RFA like Cernak away from them or even try an offer sheet ($4.3M would cost a 2nd and Tampa can’t afford that)

Even just budget options for a guy like Ceci might not be a huge downgrade at this stage of Tanev’s career.

Giving 4 years and $4.5M to a 31 year old injury prone dman that is on a downward trajectory just never seems like a good move.

Tanev and Brodie got the same term, they are the same age, and I don't think you're right about Tanevs supposed poor trajectory

Who's to say discussions haven't been had with teams like Arizona and Tampa? Sometimes there just isn't a fit

You've suggested both Murray and Ceci as budget options, and I'd argue that neither are even close to Tanev in any aspect of the game. Murray is significantly worse defensively, offers no more offensively, makes more than Tanev, is just as injury prone and cost an asset for NJ to acquire him

I disagree that Tanev is on a downward trajectory. He just had one of his best regular seasons of his career, he played every single regular season and playoff game injury free, and he was extremely valuable in the playoffs

I've noticed you're really down on this deal, I just don't think it's going to be nearly as bad as you think. Only time will tell I guess

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

This team is not in a position to compete now and just put themselves in a worse position to compete in the future.

Incorrect.

They have a #1 goaltender.

That means that for the first time in a decade, all the other stuff actually has a chance of mattering.

The offense needs a retool. Replacing Gaudreau with Hall and using Johnny to add a 1st next year and a prospect is a solid plan. At the very least, Hall has shown a little more zeal of post season play, whereas Gaudreau has spent every post season appearance after his first looking like he wanted to be anywhere else.

Worst case scenario if it doesn’t work with Hall, at least we’ll pick 1st overall once or twice.

Outside of Tanev, everyone on this blue line is a high skill positive possession player. They can’t all be like that. Those guys don’t like doing the things Tanev does.

The guy costs barely more than Hamonic, and for what his style of play is, there’s no reason to assume he can’t continue on at the average effectiveness of his last four years.

It’s fine.

[David Struch]

Tanev also brings leadership, he was an Alternate Captain in Vancouver.

[dammage79]

Maybe I'm reading into things too much but I wonder if raiding leadership from other teams may mean Gio is tracking out.

Gio on the move?

[PaperBagger'14]

Holy ####balls are there a lot of people here concerned with Tanevs injuries. Its almost like everyone hasn't read a single thing about Valimaki. The ####ing kid is talked about as if he were a God here yet he's got an ACL made out of pretzels