[Signing] Flames sign Jacob Markstrom. (6 yrs, $6mil AAV)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We have a #1 goalie. Thats all we should care about. We should be happy AF we don't have to ride Rittich and an old guy again.

Its about darned time we can turn the lights off on the goalie debate auditorium and worry about what else the team needs.

Feels good man.

Yup not only a number 1 goalie but one of the most elite in the game. Personally I think he will earn every penny and could be a bargain for the first couple years of the deal.

9th highest paid goalie and I think he is definitely top 5. Absolute coup by the Flames here and fills a massive hole that has been patched up by bandaids for years hoping one of our prospects would rise up. It didn’t happen but landing the top prize of free agency for goalies is a big win for the franchise

[MrMike]

It’s about time and I think our team will play much more confident now. Answer my butthole clenching will go way down. It’s worth it.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by MrMike

It’s about time and I think our team will play much more confident now. Answer my butthole clenching will go way down. It’s worth it.

But butthole kegels are good for your sphincter

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

But butthole kegels are good for your sphincter

At this point through Elliott and Smith and Rittich/Talbot we are all sphincter Olympic weight lifters

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MrMike

At this point through Elliott and Smith and Rittich/Talbot we are all sphincter Olympic weight lifters

Don't forget the Hiller, Berra and Karlsson eras.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't forget the Hiller, Berra and Karlsson eras.

Ramo and Johnson was it?

It’s about time we don’t have to yell “Just make a ####ing save”

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by MrMike

At this point through Elliott and Smith and Rittich/Talbot we are all sphincter Olympic weight lifters

I am pretty open minded, but I don't want to know how much you can lift with your anus

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't think Holtby is going to get lit up. I don't think any Canucks goalie is going to get lit up while Ian Clarke is there.

Markstrom's career was pretty much done when he got to Vancouver and Clarke turned him into one of the best.

There's less work to get Holtby back to where he was. Probably just some tweeks and adjustments.

Tweeks and adjustments?

Of exactly what? Changing how he challenges shooters? How close he plays to his post? The team’s defensive approach?

Last time I checked Ian Clarke doesn’t determine defensive systems or allocate the appropriate individuals to execute said system.

Holtby has played a certain way for his entire professional career in one organization.

Ian Clarke worked with Markstrom for years to ultimately cover the warts of the Canucks defence. Markstrom was highly touted going into Florida, and he deserves some credit for the reclamation of Markstrom’s game. As does Markstrom.

But... there is a lot more going on than a goalie whisperer plugging and playing new personal into their system with a few tweeks.

Will it work? Perhaps.

But a better question is, did Benning et al. even talk to Ian Clarke about what goaltenders are best suited for their current defensive structure and personnel?

They probably did & his answer was probably Markstrom.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Tweeks and adjustments?

Of exactly what? Changing how he challenges shooters? How close he plays to his post? The team’s defensive approach?

Last time I checked Ian Clarke doesn’t determine defensive systems or allocate the appropriate individuals to execute said system.

Holtby has played a certain way for his entire professional career in one organization.

Ian Clarke worked with Markstrom for years to ultimately cover the warts of the Canucks defence. Markstrom was highly touted going into Florida, and he deserves some credit for the reclamation of Markstrom’s game. As does Markstrom.

But... there is a lot more going on than a goalie whisperer plugging and playing new personal into their system with a few tweeks.

Will it work? Perhaps.

But a better question is, did Benning et al. even talk to Ian Clarke about what goaltenders are best suited for their current defensive structure and personnel?

They probably did & his answer was probably Markstrom.

I don’t understand why people like to talk about things they don’t know or understand.

Do you live in the Vancouver market? Do you hear all the interviews and stories about the Canucks or Ian Clarke or Markstrom or Tanev?

Yes, Benning and the Canucks did ask Clarke about which free agent goalies are suited for the Canucks system and also who he thinks is a good fit and who he wants to work with. Clarke told them Holtby is who they should target. This was on sports radio in vancouver. They have two sports radio stations covering the Canucks, try listening to them and you will learn a lot about the team and their personnel and how they do things.

Kevin Woodley, a goalie expert was also on, you guessed it, Vancouver sports radio talking about Holtby and specifically about vision testing that was done and Holtby apparently scored off the charts on a peripheral vision indicator which bodes well for his ability to see the puck.

It sounds like the Canucks, Ian Clarke, and third party experts have done some homework on Holtby and are confident that he can return to form hence a pretty big AAV if you ask me. He got more than what I wanted the Flames to offer him if they were to go down that route.

With all the discussion on the Canucks, Markstrom, Tanev, some of you really need to do some research before you spout off in here about our rivals, it makes the rest of us Flames fans look like Oiler fans, ie. ignorant.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don’t understand why people like to talk about things they don’t know or understand.

Do you live in the Vancouver market? Do you hear all the interviews and stories about the Canucks or Ian Clarke or Markstrom or Tanev?

Yes, Benning and the Canucks did ask Clarke about which free agent goalies are suited for the Canucks system and also who he thinks is a good fit and who he wants to work with. Clarke told them Holtby is who they should target. This was on sports radio in vancouver. They have two sports radio stations covering the Canucks, try listening to them and you will learn a lot about the team and their personnel and how they do things.

Kevin Woodley, a goalie expert was also on, you guessed it, Vancouver sports radio talking about Holtby and specifically about vision testing that was done and Holtby apparently scored off the charts on a peripheral vision indicator which bodes well for his ability to see the puck.

It sounds like the Canucks, Ian Clarke, and third party experts have done some homework on Holtby and are confident that he can return to form hence a pretty big AAV if you ask me. He got more than what I wanted the Flames to offer him if they were to go down that route.

With all the discussion on the Canucks, Markstrom, Tanev, some of you really need to do some research before you spout off in here about our rivals, it makes the rest of us Flames fans look like Oiler fans, ie. ignorant.

Hahaha

Good one.

Try doing some more research yourself before being the ignorance police. Or maybe try actually supporting some of the opinions you reference.

Holtby admitted he wasn’t digging into shot quality metrics before signing in Vancouver.
“You try and know your strengths, I think that’s one of the most important things of having success is knowing yourself and I’m a guy that believes in hard work, competitiveness and a hard style of hockey, and I see a lot of the players on the Canucks that fit into that mold,” Holtby said. “From an outsider looking in, I think it’s going to be a great fit.”

That fit clearly doesn’t start and end with a goalie’s style and strengths matching a specific defensive scheme or the types of chances a team surrenders.

Holtby, who had the lowest expected save percentage among starters with the Capitals last season at .879 (in simplest terms, expected save percentage is what an average goalie is “expected” to stop based on shot quality they face, so that basically means Holtby faced the hardest shot quality in the NHL), is projected to post a +1.62 goal di!erential behind the same workload as Markstrom, but again both the Canucks and their new goalies are each counting on other factors to push Holtby back closer to his earlier Vezina- and Cup-winning success rates.

As for Markstrom, he’s projected for a +18.53 goal differential, at least based on the chances Calgary gave up last season, an improvement of +17.81 compared to David Rittich.

Marc Andre Fleury has a better expected goal differential of +6.54 behind the Canucks, but tell me some more about how Holtby is the ideal candidate.

Oh... oh... oh... I know... because Vancouver media bought propaganda... I mean... “story” that Canucks management sold them after their pathetic cap management lost their Vezina caliber goaltender, and the ability to acquire Marc Andre Fleury.

Why would I listen to Vancouver sports radio in sufficient depth to critically comment on all things Canuck?

Oh I know....

I’m a Canuck fan.

Also nice try with the False equivalency to say that if a person doesn’t do said research they’re an ignorant Oiler fan.

Excellent attempt to hump a logical fallacy, do better next time.

Why don’t you go on Vancouver Puck and sell some more of your Canuck love there.

We’re all stocked up here.

[Blaster86]

Holy crap

We had more than enough cap to sign Markstrom and have it not be an issue. The team set an amount they were willing to spend and made a decision for no NMCs. Markstrom wanted a bit more, which was probably fine, but the team held steadfast on the NMC. While our cap could be an issue in picking up MAF, I doubt we wanted anything to do with MAF... so... yeah, bit of a non-starter.

Even by your own post, the "expected" goal differential is a projection based on Holtby playing at the same level as he did in previous seasons. It doesn't factor in any changes that are made to his game.

Also, if you ever listened to any Vancouver sports media, you'd know they don't sell team propaganda. They sell making every mole hill into a mountain and make everything a controversy, so if they're even optimistic on this one, it means there wasn't much controversy to sell.

You seem like a right, happy fella. Can't wait to see where this goes.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Ramo and Johnson was it?

It’s about time we don’t have to yell “Just make a ####ing save”

Or my favorite, " How the hell did ( goalie x) end up in the corner? Oh, he pushed off to hard and curled into the corner from his crease? Cool beans"

Man Ramo and Berra were so so so bad for losing their net. Karlsson did it too but he was so slow he could actually stop a puck as he was sliding into the galaxy.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315304100276449281

[868904]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Hahaha

Good one.

Try doing some more research yourself before being the ignorance police. Or maybe try actually supporting some of the opinions you reference.







Marc Andre Fleury has a better expected goal differential of +6.54 behind the Canucks, but tell me some more about how Holtby is the ideal candidate.

Oh... oh... oh... I know... because Vancouver media bought propaganda... I mean... “story” that Canucks management sold them after their pathetic cap management lost their Vezina caliber goaltender, and the ability to acquire Marc Andre Fleury.

Why would I listen to Vancouver sports radio in sufficient depth to critically comment on all things Canuck?

Oh I know....

I’m a Canuck fan.

Also nice try with the False equivalency to say that if a person doesn’t do said research they’re an ignorant Oiler fan.

Excellent attempt to hump a logical fallacy, do better next time.

Why don’t you go on Vancouver Puck and sell some more of your Canuck love there.

We’re all stocked up here.

So you ask about what Ian Clarke and Benning and the Canucks think of Holtby.

I give you information on what THEY think.

Then you go and call me a Canuck fan and tell me what Holtby thinks.

Ok

[greentree]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It’s so damning that breakaways are one of our defining types of shots allowed.

Breakaways shouldn’t happen. Stop letting people get behind you.

Christ.

Tanev!

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by 868904

So you ask about what Ian Clarke and Benning and the Canucks think of Holtby.

I give you information on what THEY think.

Then you go and call me a Canuck fan and tell me what Holtby thinks.

Ok

So you can me ignorant, then I point out your own ignorance about Canuck management propaganda and you get upset because I point out that Canucks fans obsessively listen to Canuck media feeds and label those who don’t as ignorant.

Ok.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315304100276449281

Meanwhile, up north...

Spoiler!

[djsFlames]

Acquiring Holtby would feel a lot like when we first got Smith from Arizona for me. Strong history but feels like his best years were eaten up with that team.

I would be cautiously optimistic but not sold.

Markstrom on the other hand feels like he is just entering his peak.

And I feel pretty sold on this guy having witnessed that level of play from him in the past few months.

I haven't seen Holtby play elite hockey in a few years. Back then? I would feel the same about him as Marskstrom for sure.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by greentree

Tanev!

Y’know what, I don’t think Chris Tanev is going to add to our breakaway total.

That’s all I’m willing to predict at this point.

[BagoPucks]

Now how do Flames make sure that all the success he had with Markstroms previous coach transfers over to our system and coaching staff? I guess that's upto both the player and team to sort out.

Few sleeps into this contract, i personally still dont feel great about it. I guess that will be the case till h builds a body of work.